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In my view, moderately taller (i.e. higher profile ratio)/narrower tires (to maintain overall tire dia. + to elongate and make-more-narrow the tread ground pressure pattern) along with choosing a winter / snow specific tread pattern is what's required. I find that small (i.e. shorter wheelbase) FWD cars do best. For a car the size of a Mazda6 it seems to me that care in choosing snow tire sizes and tread types is needed so as not to be disappointed with in-snow performance. Some care in also viewing tire load rating (in the midst of tire size/dimension changes) also is warranted.

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My vote is on Mazda simply for the fact that Subaru is going all in on CVTs and I can't stand the things. But that's my opinion.
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Why not split the difference and go CX-5? I test drove an'18 Forester and Crosstrek (Both manuals), so suggest you do that prior to my Mazda test drive and Mazda6 purchase. I do the same length commute and had the same concerns about the snow. Would have been nice to have the 4WD/AWD and extra ground clearance the 1st winter as we had a ton of large snowfalls, but this year, wasn't much at all, so glad I have the Mazda6 this year. I keep looking for an extra set of 17"ers that I can use as an extra set with winters mounted, but haven't come accross as of yet, but that's my longer plan. Good luck with your (personal) decision and purchase!

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My vote is on Mazda simply for the fact that Subaru is going all in on CVTs and I can't stand the things. But that's my opinion.
I wonder why people don't want CVT? I've heard of some issues regarding CVT on other brands and some are saying that once it breaks, it's totally broken. There's no way you can fix it except by replacement.

My question now, how long can a CVT last if it's properly cared?

I'm off topic again! Please don't answer​ my inquiry.
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I've owned AWD vehicles when I lived in the snow range. They're worth it BUT.... in real snow conditions snow tires are the jazz, and FWD with them beats AWD without. Every time.

Now if you live where it REALLY snows, and have mountains, then you need clearance for chains. The "6" can use cable chains. Real AWD vehicles with real tire well clearance can use CHAIN CHAINS, and the two are not the same thing. I have cable chains because I go out to CO in the winter, and if you don't have 'em, snow tires or not and it snows a bunch you ain't going where you wanna go -- period.

I have no fear of the SkyActiv drivetrain reliability wise. Then again I have 175,000 miles on mine. Zero issues. Subie? Well, AWD is more complex and thus has more issues. The Boxer engine design burns oil -- period. It's a good engine but it burns oil. Keep it happy and you're fine. Don't, and... well..... and there ARE issues.

Serious issues. Like head gaskets. Which appears to be linked to ABSOLUTE intolerance to overheats. That, by the way, is a common feature with diesels. DO NOT EVER overheat them. This means paying attention in a big way to the cooling system which most people do not do. Then very expensive trouble comes knocking.... These, of course, are GAS engines. Which implies Subie shaved some margins. Not the end of the world provided you never overheat. If you do....

Oh, and don't get a CVT. Ever. They're time bombs. They all fail, all out of warranty, and are expensive. It's a design issue that can't be overcome simply due to how they work. And a lot of Subies have 'em in them now..... which is not good.

If you need the road clearance and want AWD then, well, you do. But if the issue really is snow get real snow tires and rims for the winter and FWD will be just fine. If you live where there are mountains toss a set of chains in the back in the winter months.

I drove a couple of Subies before I bought my "6". Refinement and interior weren't even close; the Mazda won by a country mile. Now a few years and 175,000 miles into it... I'm not sorry with my choice.

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I've owned AWD vehicles when I lived in the snow range. They're worth it BUT.... in real snow conditions snow tires are the jazz, and FWD with them beats AWD without. Every time.

Now if you live where it REALLY snows, and have mountains, then you need clearance for chains. The "6" can use cable chains. Real AWD vehicles with real tire well clearance can use CHAIN CHAINS, and the two are not the same thing. I have cable chains because I go out to CO in the winter, and if you don't have 'em, snow tires or not and it snows a bunch you ain't going where you wanna go -- period.

I have no fear of the SkyActiv drivetrain reliability wise. Then again I have 175,000 miles on mine. Zero issues. Subie? Well, AWD is more complex and thus has more issues. The Boxer engine design burns oil -- period. It's a good engine but it burns oil. Keep it happy and you're fine. Don't, and... well..... and there ARE issues.

Serious issues. Like head gaskets. Which appears to be linked to ABSOLUTE intolerance to overheats. That, by the way, is a common feature with diesels. DO NOT EVER overheat them. This means paying attention in a big way to the cooling system which most people do not do. Then very expensive trouble comes knocking.... These, of course, are GAS engines. Which implies Subie shaved some margins. Not the end of the world provided you never overheat. If you do....

Oh, and don't get a CVT. Ever. They're time bombs. They all fail, all out of warranty, and are expensive. It's a design issue that can't be overcome simply due to how they work. And a lot of Subies have 'em in them now..... which is not good.

If you need the road clearance and want AWD then, well, you do. But if the issue really is snow get real snow tires and rims for the winter and FWD will be just fine. If you live where there are mountains toss a set of chains in the back in the winter months.

I drove a couple of Subies before I bought my "6". Refinement and interior weren't even close; the Mazda won by a country mile. Now a few years and 175,000 miles into it... I'm not sorry with my choice.

At all.
With that explanation, then I'll be staying out with CVT. It is fortunate for me that Mazda isn't using CVT, I didn't consider this thing when I was looking for another car.

Again, the recommendation is Mazda over Subaru.



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You probably won't find anyone recommending a Subaru over a Mazda on these forums, haha. This is an interesting link:

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/best-car-brands
I guess we should recommend the guy to look for a dedicated forum for Subaru. He might have a different answer.

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Instead of the Legacy why not just go for the WRX ? One of the sportiest driving cars in its segment, looks pretty decent, good motor, AWD, manual transmission and endlessly tune-able with so many off the shelf goodies available along with a pretty tight enthusiast community.
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Instead of the Legacy why not just go for the WRX ? One of the sportiest driving cars in its segment, looks pretty decent, good motor, AWD, manual transmission and endlessly tune-able with so many off the shelf goodies available along with a pretty tight enthusiast community.
If the OP is choosing between a 6 Signature and a fully-optioned Legacy, I highly doubt he'd consider a WRX. Yes, it's a good performer, but the interior materials and fit-and-finish is utter crap compared to the Signature. I've seen better plastics and cloth used in an '88 Hyundai Excel.
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Well thank you to everyone for their feedback and support. For starters I never even thought of the CVT but yes that is a bit of a downside to the Legacy. Also GreyGhost is right, its a big no from me on a WRX, the new Impreza is better than that and that's saying something. I prefer the size and comfort of the 6, or Legacy and refuse to own a crossover like the CX5...yet. Overall it seems like the group has a unanimous opinion on tires. AWD shouldn't be the selling point and it should be on tires. So with that I ask, what are you guys doing for winter setups? I would definitely go with a 17" wheel, so about a 255/50 tire? I would want to keep the speedo as close to accurate as possible, also what do you do about the TPMS sensors, because I wouldn't want my tire light on for 4-5 months? Thank you all for your feedback, I will be test driving both very soon.
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Well thank you to everyone for their feedback and support. For starters I never even thought of the CVT but yes that is a bit of a downside to the Legacy. Also GreyGhost is right, its a big no from me on a WRX, the new Impreza is better than that and that's saying something. I prefer the size and comfort of the 6, or Legacy and refuse to own a crossover like the CX5...yet. Overall it seems like the group has a unanimous opinion on tires. AWD shouldn't be the selling point and it should be on tires. So with that I ask, what are you guys doing for winter setups? I would definitely go with a 17" wheel, so about a 255/50 tire? I would want to keep the speedo as close to accurate as possible, also what do you do about the TPMS sensors, because I wouldn't want my tire light on for 4-5 months? Thank you all for your feedback, I will be test driving both very soon.
Glad we could help! I forgot to mention the the Mazda community (as a whole) is way better than the Scoobie community IMO - so go Mazda haha.

First - The 2014 - 2017 models don't have TPMS, they use indirect and it's bliss. The newest ones went back to direct.

Second: I run 20" rims in the summer and 17s in the winter and I think it's a great setup. I run tires that are *slightly* too small (got them for cheap) for the winter. They're 255/45/R17 but 255/50 would be perfect I wager since my speedo is off about 1mph for every 30 I go.

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