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So would this be the final alignment specs? That is for more perfect even tire wear..?
[street use, stock rims with stock size tires, stock tire pressure]
Don't care about performance, just tire wear...

Front Left
Camber: -1.1
Caster: 3.7
Toe: 0.00
SAI: 4.1
Included Angle: 4.3

Front Right
Camber: -1.1
Caster: 3.7
Toe: 0.00
SAI: 3.7
Included Angle: 4.3

Front
Cross Camber: -0.8
Cross Caster: 0.1
Total Toe: 0.00

Rear Left
Camber: -1.2
Toe: 0.00

Rear Right
Camber: -1.2
Toe: 0.00

Rear
Total Toe: 0.00
Thrust Angle: -0.04

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QUOTE (FORZDA 1 @ Jul 21 2009, 04:46 PM)
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Yep, take a deep cleansing breath, relax, and be pleasant, but firm that you really want the numbers you asked for. They are achievable with the new and existing adjustments on the car.[/b]
OK, this one&#39;s over. In total, it took 3 visits to the shop, 2 afternoons off work, and 9-3 on a Saturday sitting in their waiting room (seriously, for an alignment??) but I got it done and they pegged it right on. -1.1* both sides in the front, -1.0* in the rear, the car tracks straight with no hands on the wheel, and the wheel was recentered.

The second time they did it was actually almost comical. I think it came back -1.8* in the rear and like -0.2* in front, even after I gave them a large-print sheet stating the specs I wanted. Needless to say I won&#39;t be going near that place again. But I am glad I went back until they got it right, the car feels very good now. Thanks for pushing me to take it back.

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QUOTE (OJ Bartley @ Jul 27 2009, 01:08 PM)
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OK, this one&#39;s over. In total, it took 3 visits to the shop, 2 afternoons off work, and 9-3 on a Saturday sitting in their waiting room (seriously, for an alignment??) but I got it done and they pegged it right on. -1.1* both sides in the front, -1.0* in the rear, the car tracks straight with no hands on the wheel, and the wheel was recentered.

The second time they did it was actually almost comical. I think it came back -1.8* in the rear and like -0.2* in front, even after I gave them a large-print sheet stating the specs I wanted. Needless to say I won&#39;t be going near that place again. But I am glad I went back until they got it right, the car feels very good now. Thanks for pushing me to take it back.[/b]

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QUOTE (FORZDA 1 @ Jul 27 2009, 02:52 PM)
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Glad it worked out for you! [/b]
FORZDA and other vets - PLEASE HELP ..

I got a custom alignment from a speed shop in Austin TX paying $140 plus $200 for SPC install.
Car did seem to roll tighter/slower but figured it was my imagination as this is a top-knotch shop ($$340).
I have now put almost 3000 miles since the alignment and was just rotating and balancing and PRESTO-chango the Rears have severe inner wear.
The fronts look great and the rear wear has been hidden until off the car. MAN The backs have been draggin&#39;!!!
Also 235/40/18 and 18 x 8 OZ wheels.

Current measurements (from alignment 4 months ago).
LF -.9 CAMBER RF -1.0
4.3 CASTER 4.1
.04 TOE .05
REAR
LR -1.4 CAMBER RR -1.4
.05 TOE .05
REAR TOTAL TOE = .10

I CAN&#39;T SEE what is causing this rear inner wear, fronts are wearing evenly???
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QUOTE (morgan2112 @ Jul 29 2009, 01:11 PM)
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FORZDA and other vets - PLEASE HELP ..

I got a custom alignment from a speed shop in Austin TX paying $140 plus $200 for SPC install.
Car did seem to roll tighter/slower but figured it was my imagination as this is a top-knotch shop ($$340).
I have now put almost 3000 miles since the alignment and was just rotating and balancing and PRESTO-chango the Rears have severe inner wear.
The fronts look great and the rear wear has been hidden until off the car. MAN The backs have been draggin&#39;!!!
Also 235/40/18 and 18 x 8 OZ wheels.

Current measurements (from alignment 4 months ago).
LF -.9 CAMBER RF -1.0
4.3 CASTER 4.1
.04 TOE .05
REAR
LR -1.4 CASTER RR -1.4
.05 TOE .05
REAR TOTAL TOE = .10

I CAN&#39;T SEE what is causing this rear inner wear, fronts are wearing evenly???
THX[/b]
These settings "shouldn&#39;t" cause severe wear, but the rear toe is about twice what I would recommend. I&#39;m betting the rear camber settings have slipped on one side or both. If the tech didn&#39;t tighten the camber bolt(s) enough and they slip, it affects both camber and toe. You must get the car back on the rack for a reset.

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Ouch! man, I feel your alignment pain. Last summer I bought the car with some positive (or very close to zero) camber in the front and wiped out a brand new set of tires. Then even after getting good advice here I went through a week of misery getting it set up right. What&#39;s the camber at the rear? It sounds like either too much negative camber, or maybe it&#39;s the toe, but I&#39;m not sure which way that increases wear. Is that set for .05 toe in or toe out? If you scroll up, I had comments stating that .02 was too much toe in the rear for me, so that might be it.

At least I feel a little better about what I paid... $65 per side for the ball joints and $70 for the alignment (which I did end up paying another $30 for, not to mention hours and hours of my life in the shop waiting room).

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QUOTE (OJ Bartley @ Jul 29 2009, 02:26 PM)
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Ouch! man, I feel your alignment pain. Last summer I bought the car with some positive (or very close to zero) camber in the front and wiped out a brand new set of tires. Then even after getting good advice here I went through a week of misery getting it set up right. What&#39;s the camber at the rear? It sounds like either too much negative camber, or maybe it&#39;s the toe, but I&#39;m not sure which way that increases wear. Is that set for .05 toe in or toe out? If you scroll up, I had comments stating that .02 was too much toe in the rear for me, so that might be it.

At least I feel a little better about what I paid... $65 per side for the ball joints and $70 for the alignment (which I did end up paying another $30 for, not to mention hours and hours of my life in the shop waiting room).[/b]
Thanks guys..
The rear toe is supposely .05 in the shop says. The inner wear seems like toe out to me.. Camber has to have slipped as Forzda said... This is really Great, I may flip the rear tires and have another alignment if I can&#39;t get back down to Austin soon. Please advise. These tires are not even that soft??

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Got my alignment today. I got the biggest lecture from the guy there about why I shouldn&#39;t use the specs I gave him (see earlier post). I had no replies, so I had no solid info to back it up, but whatever.
I&#39;m riding completely stock (no springs, ball joints, etc.), although if needed, I would be willing to get the SPC Balljoints. All I know is the rear inner tire wear was horrible! But I don&#39;t see much different specs..
Here&#39;s my specs page,.. any thoughts? Thanks guys.
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QUOTE (cfdp @ Aug 21 2009, 11:00 PM)
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All I know is the rear inner tire wear was horrible! But I don&#39;t see much different specs..[/b]
0.55 degrees of toe-in!
Combined with the toe-out on the front right and the moderately large toe-in on the rear wheels, and it is no wonder you had tire wear issues!

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I noticed I&#39;m getting inner tire wear after putting on the new tires and I went back and looked and they didn&#39;t set the toe to what I gave them. They added in a lot more than I asked for. Gotta get it redone now.


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