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Another MTX Bites the Dust

For those that will only buy a car with a Manual there will be no reason to look at a 2019+ BMW 3 series.

The Manual is no longer an option. Auto trans only. Without quoting exactly, one of the reasons is the ATX shifts faster and more efficiently than the MTX.

One by one... days are numbered folks.

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Try to remember that modern automatics are far more capable of sport driving too. WHen I was a younger man, I was die hard manual only. For cars like my 1st gen V6 you simply have to have a manual as the automatics are dramatically slower. But for cars like the 3 series, V8 sports cars and so forth, the modern automatic is just a better all around transmission.

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Try to remember that modern automatics are far more capable of sport driving too. WHen I was a younger man, I was die hard manual only. For cars like my 1st gen V6 you simply have to have a manual as the automatics are dramatically slower. But for cars like the 3 series, V8 sports cars and so forth, the modern automatic is just a better all around transmission.
My weekend/summer car is a Mustang V-8 with manual (20+ years now), so I come from a place of experience. Sorry, NOT "better" in terms of fun and for me - connects me to the car like no "better shifting" automatic can. I'll continue to buy and seek out manuals, so if BMW gets rid of them, I wouldn't even consider to buy. Same with Mazda - hope they're listening.

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The BMW M3 & M4 "Pure" model likely will be 6MT RWD... MY 2020...

More fun + more long-lived, yes. Anachronistic, off-the-ark technology, yes. Inferior, stoplight-to-stoplight, yes. Still worth buying, yes. Sorry, perverse love affair. Look at my Username hehe.

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I've yet to have to actually REPLACE a MTX in any vehicle. Nor has anyone I know of, OTHER THAN through ridiculous abuse (e.g. running it dry while leaking, thus no oil, putting GL5 in it which is a huge no-no and eats the synchros, speed-shifting and bending or breaking shift forks, etc.)

Now clutches are wear items, but that's subjective too. I own a TDI Jetta (well, my kid does now) with 250,000 miles on the STOCK clutch. It's "enhanced" somewhat on power too, and the factory clutch is known to be limited in torque-holding capacity. Yet.... it hasn't burnt up yet and the gearbox itself is just fine. The output seals are weeping a bit so WHEN the clutch eventually fails I'll change those when I have the gearbox out and it's easy (they're cheap too.) Go figure.

Many if not most ATX vehicles will make the FIRST 100,000 miles. Not very many make the SECOND 100,000, and WHEN they fail they cost a heck of a lot more than a clutch does to replace or rebuild. Modern ATXs are in many if not most cases effectively non-repairable except by a factory depot and thus there is no "repair"; they're essentially trash when they fail and if out of warranty expensive enough that they can economically total the vehicle.
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While I'm not going to comment which is better, which is easier, cheaper to repair, maintain, the bottom line is they are being phased out.

I will say the modern ATX goes much further than 100K unless abused obviously. Our fleet Ford ATX's which IMO are probably not the best (ATX's) of the bunch routinely go 250K+ miles before being replaced. About 40% make it the full 350K miles which is the point of when we replace the entire vehicle.

These are no longer your grandad's ATX's.

I will say.. I find it incredibly short sided that a person would only buy a vehicle that has a MTX but hey, it's your choice, at least for now.

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I've always considered it a matter of engagement with the vehicle. Yes, I've driven modern automatics (BMW, for one), and while they're just dandy for what they do, I still prefer that engagement.

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This is turning into the age-old Ford vs. Chevy battle. Everyone has their favorite, but there's no real winner.

But, if ATXs are getting better and better, while fewer and fewer drivers actually know how to drive MTX (let alone want to everyday), you can't fault automakers for making a business decision.

Yes, I love driving a manual. Always have, always will. But, I'm also perfectly driving an ATX also. It doesn't make me less of a driving enthusiast, or anything else for that matter.

Pretty soon, it won't make a damn difference, since we'll soon be stuck in electric econoboxes that think they can drive better than a human can...


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What's the point of posts like this? Us manual guys (and anyone who's ever driven a car, really) know full well our options are diminishing, so it really just appears you're trying to gloat or something. It's a niche market and there's always room for niche markets to thrive.

"But automatics shift faster" is such a pointless argument unless you use the car in question for professional racing. Manual transmissions make driving more fun (and safer, honestly), period. If you can't understand that, enjoy your slushbox and we'll enjoy actually driving our cars.

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Honda is still promoting manual. Honda is Teaching the Next Generation How to Drive Stick - The Drive

My ex liked driving my foxbody with a t5 so we went and got her a Civic SI which only comes with a six speed. I drove it home and she learned from there.




BMW's are gay. Most of their sporty customers moved onto Audi anyways. Car maker that brags about driver experience killing stick is just pounding nails in their coffin. My best friend had an M3 with the SMG trans which is an actual computer shifted/clutched manual. That has a shifter and no clutch pedal. On the street that car was as fast as an 04 z06, but I thought it was just kind of queer to not have the third pedal.
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