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My feelings after the test drive.

Hi guys. I have been today on dealership and took drive test of Mazda6i and Mazda6s. Unfortenately, with stick shift they didn't have any, so both had an automatic transmision. First, I took test with Mazda6i, in contrast with Mazda 626 2.2 88 : motor is very noisу and my test wasn't take a long time because it's bother me a lot. Second car Mazda6s full loaded, motor was little less noisy than Mazda6i , but anyway, there is too many noise. In contrast, with my Lexus ES 300 1997- Mazda 6 like a toy. I was very dissapointed when found out it and Electronic Throttle Control also work less intensative. Also, I don't like at that time huge quantity of red light in the dish board. All plastic inside the car very cheap looking, all plastic from hard material and I think in the near future it's give a noise. For sure, constractor team made an error, hang the engine on regular engine mount. Toyota in contrast on cheap cars put special engine mount and shock. Both cars didn't offer me a pleasure of driving and I want to think that this is only the first samples.
Sorry for my English. :(
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* * * * * * Hi guys. *I have been today on dealership and took drive test of *Mazda6i and Mazda6s. Unfortenately, with stick shift they didn't have any, so both had an automatic transmision. *First, I took test with Mazda6i, in contrast with Mazda 626 2.2 88 *: motor is very nois&#109[/b]
Noise or a sporty tune, that's a matter of opinion. I think it's sporty. Really sporty. But yes, you hear the engine. If you don't like that, there are other cars out there...
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; and my test wasn't take a long time because it's bother me a lot. *Second car Mazda6s *full loaded, motor was little less noisy than Mazda6i , but anyway, there is too many noise. * In contrast, with my Lexus ES 300 1997- Mazda 6 like a toy.[/b]
Hardly. I've seen those. They are cheaper appearing (but more expensive when it comes to cost) than the 6.
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I was very dissapointed when found out it and Electronic Throttle Control also work less intensative. *Also, I don't like at that time huge quantity of red light in the dish board. *[/b]
Personally I felt hesitation too for all the red, I would have preferred blue. But now I just love it. Very soft on your eyes in the dark.
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All plastic inside the car very cheap looking, all plastic from hard material and I think in the near future it's give a noise. *[/b]
You are wrong. All material isn't hard plastic. The dash for one is out of a soft material. As for noise...I lived with a 626 for years with cheaper material than the 6, with NO noise. I trust Mazda build quality.
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For sure, *constractor team made an error, hang the engine on regular engine mount. *Toyota in contrast on cheap cars put special *engine mount and shock. *Both cars didn't offer me a pleasure of driving and I want to think that this is only the first samples. *
Sorry for my English. :([/b]
Can't really have an opinion about the engine mount, but very little of engine movement is spread through the body of the car.
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Too bad you didn't enjoy your test of a 6 like I did. I'd have to say that I'd only want a Mazda6 if I was going to take advantage of the stick shift.

Comparing a $30000 to a $70000 Lexus is a bit strange. The Lexus is a luxury car and built to be completely quiet where Mazda aims for a sportier sound, especially the engine.

I found the cabin a bit noiser than the Camry Sportivo I test drove on the same day (note the Aussie Camry is designed by Aussie engineers to be extremely quiet on our crapo roads) but it was better than most other cars in the same category.

I have to wonder if the 17" wheels are too noisy. The one I drove was the base model and had 15" wheels.

Here is a quote from go auto an fantastic aussie car site www.goauto.com:
"It did tend to jostle a little on broken bitumen on low-profile, 17-inch tyres and generate some noise. But the higher profile 16-inch rubber quelled that."

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf...ght=2,mazda%206
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Krill, it looks like you are on the wrong board!

You haven't said anything about how you thought the car drove. That's what it all comes down to. The driving dynamics of the '6 are excellent, but it sounds like you might prefer the isolation of a luxury car.
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Kirill, it sounds like this isn't the right car for you. What you call noisy is what we call music. If you want that "coffinlike" ride, you're barking up the wrong tree. If the car feels cheap and plasticky to you, you should find one that feels good. Good luck to you in your car buying.
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Yeah Kirill, this may not be the car for you. This is especially true when you are trying to compare the 6 with a Lexus ES300. I can see some commonality with the IS300 (IS200 for you Euros). They are both sport sedan that are marketed toward buyers that want a more sportier feel than comfort. Yes, they both have comfort to a certain level but not the same level as a ES300. If you can't afford an ES300 than get a Toyota Camry. They are relatively similar in ride refinement. The only difference is how luxury the option and price.

Hope you find your right car.
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Well my dealer at least has traded one almost new Lexus IS200 for a brand new Mazda6...go figure...:sarc
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I want everyone to be very clear about this: the Mazda6 does NOT use a purely conventional powertrain mount system.

The powertrain mounts are layed out in a pendulum fashion with Right Hand (RHS); Left Hand (LHS); and a Roll Restrictor (RR). The LHS and RHS mounts are roughly aligned with the Torque Roll Axis (TRA) of the engine (it's not perfect because of compromises in packaging and making so many engines use the same set of frame mount points) and the RR prevents the engine from swinging about it's TRA. This system has been in 626s at least as far back as '88 (it's doubtfull this was in the 1st or 2nd gen 626 but I don't have access to either generation to check). The RR is attached to the base of the engine and connects to the lateral link of the front chassis subframe just behind the engine. The RR is a very nice and shiny piece of aluminum, you can't miss it.

In the '6 the LHS mount is attached to the tranny via a cast tower which is suspended under the battery tray by an elastomeric mount. The RHS mount is a conical hydromount, and the RR uses elastomeric bushings.

This is a very common mounting scheme. However, a hydromount is NOT a conventional elastomeric mount. They're rather complex little beasts that use a conical elastomeric spring to pump a fluid through the mount to damp vibrations. That's the simple story.

How do I know this? I'm an engineer for one of many suppliers who make such systems. I've seen the test data. The Mazda mounts are pretty good, though can be made better. That's as much as I can say.
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Can you expound a little on the benefits/drawbacks of such a design with respect to what you call "conventional" mount schemes? I understood what you were saying, but I couldn't glean whether the feature set you described is a positive or negative issue.

thanks,
-Alt (another engineer)
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mpulse1,

Where in Holland do you work?

Your about 20 miles south of where I live. Any other tech information on the Mazda 6?
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