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Driver’s seat swap...?

Acknowledging there are subtle but distinct differences within the 1st Generation group as far as connectors, etc are concerned (as an example, I know the clock/radio/temp LCD panel that has issues in a lot of 2004-2005 cars (including mine) can’t be directly swapped with one from 2006-2008 because they rewired the connector from 16 to 10 pins), is it possible to direct swap a driver’s seat from a 2008 6s Sport 5 door into my 2004 6s wagon?

My seat has 3 issues, the right side bolster on the back of the seat is rolled over to the point that side of the seat is basically flat. The lumbar support doesn’t work and almost worst of all, the seat heater feels like it’s burning a hole in the back of my left thigh; not an especially pleasant experience.

I know someone who has a 2008 hatchback that he’s about to scrap and he’s open to ‘trading’ seats. I know the mounts will match, my concern is the electrical - motors, seat heaters & airbags.

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The gen 1.5 seats are quite different than the gen 1.0 seats. I don't know for certain, but I believe the wiring is different between the two in addition to the shape. Do you have airbag seats? That would be the part I would not want to mess with. You might be able to solder swap the connectors and get the seat to work, but my concern would be for the airbag.
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The gen 1.5 seats are quite different than the gen 1.0 seats. I don't know for certain, but I believe the wiring is different between the two in addition to the shape. Do you have airbag seats? That would be the part I would not want to mess with. You might be able to solder swap the connectors and get the seat to work, but my concern would be for the airbag.
I do have airbags, yes, and that’s also my largest concern. The specific look of the seats doesn’t bother me too greatly; if it does work, I’ll swap both front seats and leave the back seats as-is.

I’m hoping to find a solid answer in advance as we won’t be able to get together until Thursday. If it can’t work, it’ll save both of us a trip to his car (which is sitting in his mother in law’s driveway).

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03-05 are a direct swap. 06-08 requires changing/repinning the plugs, but after that they do work as intended.

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03-05 are a direct swap. 06-08 requires changing/repinning the plugs, but after that they do work as intended.
Thanks very much. Do you know if the plugs from my existing seats can be simply cut off and spliced into the 2008 seats (the donor car is being scrapped) or are the connectors wired completely differently?

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I am with @waughoo. I am most concerned with the sensor /controller interface for the airbags. For mine I grabbed side curtain bags and the side bolsters when I added the "Luxury Package". I also pulled the airbag control module (behind HVAC console). The options within the same year are sedan or 5=door/wagon and side curtain or no-curtain for a total of 4 combinations (I believe).

I went from a 05/2004 S wagon to a 06/2004 S wagon

The way that Mazda recommends for airbag testing is with the dashboard light. It should remain illuminated for approximately 6 seconds when the ignition switch is turned to the ON position. If this does not happen the airbags are not armed and you must then use the onboard diagnostic. Make sure all connections are connected or disconnected with the battery disconnected and residual current bled (~1min)


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Driver’s seat swap...?

All things being equal, I think I’ll be better off riding it out until I can stumble across a 2003-2005 wagon with a solid black leather interior, rather than risk blowing an airbag while sitting in the driveway; it just seems the risk/reward isn’t quite there without paint-by-numbers step by step instructions.

I’m confident enough in my lack of confidence in auto electronics to know when to put this one in the ‘maybe not such a great idea’ file.

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UPDATE

About two weeks ago I had a change of heart & reached out to the 08 seat guy to see if he still had his car that he was parting out. He did, so I went ahead and arranged a day for us to do a driveway seat swap. We put his 08 seats in my 04 wagon and my 04 seats in the car that he was calling a wrecker to come and haul away the following week.

Generally the swap went well though I did have a flashing airbag code. A little research led me to it being a Code 51; a short in the driver’s side seatbelt buckle. We hadn’t switched the buckles off when we did the swap so I headed out to my local wrecker last week and pulled a pair of front seat buckles and took a drive to my buddy’s place today; he had previously gone the other way, putting 04 leather into his 08 sedan that originally had cloth without issue.

We pulled the seats out of my car and switched the buckles, taking the connectors off the 08 buckles as Mazda changed them at some point between 04 & 08 and the 04 connectors didn’t fit the 08. We buttoned everything back up, reconnected the battery and turned the key. Typical startup dashboard lights flashed and went out sequentially including the airbag light.

So, the moral of this story is; they work. You can put 08 seats in an 04 and not have any airbag or other system issues.
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Hey... this is cool info!! Post up a picture when you can. It would be slick to see the conversion.

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Hey... this is cool info!! Post up a picture when you can. It would be slick to see the conversion.
I know this isn't what you want to see a picture of. I'll shoot one of the seats in the next couple of days after it's been vacuumed. In the mean time, this is the dash on the first post-completion start.
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