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Next Mazda6 Might Be RWD w/I-6 Layout

Mazda has announced their intentions for a new larger architecture that will be RWD and be powered by a longitudinal inline 6cyl engine in their bid to continue going upmarket. Rumors are starting that the Mazda 6 will be using this new architecture for it's next generation sedans. There is also talk of a 48V electric system being developed as well.


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This is exciting. I love the Mazda brand. Unfortunately I have put off my Mazda6 purchase and now I want to wait for this. Or maybe I just buy one now and trade it in when the new one comes out. Haha
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This is exciting. I love the Mazda brand. Unfortunately I have put off my Mazda6 purchase and now I want to wait for this. Or maybe I just buy one now and trade it in when the new one comes out. Haha
As much as I love my 2018 6, I'll be test driving this new 6 for-sure.

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Hmm, I'm not sure Mazda is going to turn the 6 into a completely different car. Since '03, people (me included) have bought the 6 because it's affordable, FWD, fun to drive, and the best looking in its class.

To suddenly make it a legitimate luxury sports sedan (I6, RWD), it's going to be dead in the water. People shopping for a brand new BMW or Merc aren't going to buy it simply because it's a Mazda6, and previous 6 owners aren't going to buy it because it's not a fun, affordable family sedan anymore. They'd shed their existing customer base and not attract a new one.

It sounds like a new model is coming out, and that's pretty exciting. But to call it a 6 is a bad idea, I think.
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This will not help Mazda North America. These must be aimed at some other market, Mazda can't sell enough 6's to even claim any success in this market, never mind an all new upscale car.


Major problem #2 : This is a no sell in the British market as well as bigger motors = huge taxes/fees.


Major problem #3 : Really, competing in the luxury segment that has been owned by BMW/Audi/MB/etc for 40+ years?



This article seems like a Mazda dream sequence. None of it makes sense. Markets are pushing to downsize engines not make them bigger. This car is 20yrs too late at a minimum. If they have ANY sense they will focus on electrics, although competing with Telsa is laughable.

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I'll believe it... when I see it.

Exactly what I said when Mazda announced the SkyActiv-D was coming to the 6...

...6 years ago...

Not to mention the return of the RX-7. That "rumor" has been floating around since at least this century...


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I didn't even realize that article claimed a new diesel is in the works. A new diesel would be DOA. They (new diesel engine powered cars) are being banned in the EU by 2025. North America will be right behind. This is not Mazda's dream, it would be their nightmare and end if they try it.


Never mind the fact that US sized/styled cars are not wanted in Japan.
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Upscale... luxury... these words mean only one thing and that is the word expensive. In our local place, I don't see any Mazda 6. Even in major cities, I have encountered one or two Mazda 6. There are more chances to see a Camry and Accord but not a Mazda 6. Even BMW, Audi, and Mercedes Benz are more visible.

This particular model might become "extinct" if the price will go up. I mean, almost all people that I've encountered would say that at the price I paid for this car is already equivalent with an SUV. Some even questioned me "why" did I buy this instead of an SUV.

I could almost hear them, if ever I buy this new model, why did I buy this instead of other brands like I mentioned above.
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I'll believe it... when I see it.

Exactly what I said when Mazda announced the SkyActiv-D was coming to the 6...

...6 years ago...

Not to mention the return of the RX-7. That "rumor" has been floating around since at least this century...
I have that particular model, SkyActiv-D. However, since you aren't seeing it right now I know you won't believe it.


Kidding aside, why is it that the diesel variant is not available on the US market? I might be wrong, but someone said that it isn't available.
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Well, the 3 replaced the 323, the 6 replaced the 626; so.... we could have a Mazda 9
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Kidding aside, why is it that the diesel variant is not available on the US market? I might be wrong, but someone said that it isn't available.
For years, Mazda had been promising the SkyActiv-D for the North American market, as early as when the 3rd-gen was released here, in 2013. Time passed, and nothing. Then there was rumors that the diesel variant couldn't meet CARB standards, not unless it was severely underpowered and/or had poor fuel economy.

As of now, it's still expected for the 6, supposedly, along with AWD.

But at this point, why should they even bother? The diesel CX-5 that's soon-to-be-available has little, if any, fuel economy gain compared to the base 2.2L. It's horsepower is lower than the 2.2, and the all-almighty diesel torque (290 lbs-ft) is LOWER than the 2.5T which became an option on the CX-5 this year. It also needs urea to pass emissions (an added cost and inconvenience), and it's also a HUGE price jump, over $42K on a Signature! At that price, they'd better throw in the Vaseline for free...

Knowing that, it wouldn't surprise me that the 6 diesel will get maybe 1-2 MPG better than the base engine, still produce less torque than the 2.5T, still have the traditional diesel noise, smell, and horrendous cold-starting properties, and will send a 6 price above $38K!

To me the D doesn't stand for diesel, it stands for Dumbass, which is what I'd call the buyer/owner.


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