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so the ECE's provide more color at the cutoff and a little more light than DOT? and DOT is pretty much different in the amount of light output, and the fact that the light tends to shine upwards more than ECE?
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For the Bosch E46 projectors, they do not have that much color in stock format for either the ECE or DOT. But they can be modded (by bending the cutoff shield) to add more color. When modding it, the ECE can show more color due to the larger step in the cutoff. In terms of light output, I believe the ECE projector does have more light output (below the cutoff) than DOT (for the Bosch E46 that is). But above the cutoff, the DOT has more light output, which is good for the driver because they can see the overhead signs, but maybe not so good for the oncoming traffic.

Generally speaking, I don't think you can say that ECE has more color than DOT because the TSX, TL, and S2000 (I believe all Stanley / Koito projectors) have alot of color. They also have really sharp cutoffs too.
In terms of light output, the ECE will have less light output above the cutoff. Depending on the projector you are talking about, the ECE MIGHT have more light output below the cutoff. The reason I say MIGHT is because I have only seen 2 ECE projectors (Bosch and Valeo).

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Well, from what I've seen, as far as the Bosch E46 projectors go, ECE definitely has more color, and more output. Of course I'm not comparing them to any S2000 or TSX projectors as those are totally different, apples to oranges there. Tons of members of HIDPlanet swear by the S2000 projectors, but they won't easily fit into the 6. But Bosch E46 DOT vs Bosch E46 ECE, ECE for the win.


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Well, from what I've seen, as far as the Bosch E46 projectors go, ECE definitely has more color, and more output. Of course I'm not comparing them to any S2000 or TSX projectors as those are totally different, apples to oranges there. Tons of members of HIDPlanet swear by the S2000 projectors, but they won't easily fit into the 6. But Bosch E46 DOT vs Bosch E46 ECE, ECE for the win.
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just before i did my retro, i talked to an admin in hidplanet about GB for the bosch package... i believe it's 100bucks cheaper if we have 10 or something.... but i guess it's non doable anymore since they are in high demand right now....

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just before i did my retro, i talked to an admin in hidplanet about GB for the bosch package... i believe it's 100bucks cheaper if we have 10 or something.... but i guess it's non doable anymore since they are in high demand right now....
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aw man, you just got my hopes up. was the GB for a pair of ten, or ten all together? cause i'm seriously considering HID, and i'm leaning more towards the retro than the HID kit.
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Shit.. Ballasts are back in stock at hidplanet if anyone's interested.


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And here's my DOT projector with philips 85122 4300K new bulbs and washer mods too... (2x#8 washers per leg) and a little bit of shield bending.... it's kinda crappy, i was outside waiting for my friend, and took this picture ~25' and taken using Sony Ericsson S700i 1.3MegaPixel camera with a little bit of zoom.


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I really wish someone could show me a HID vs. non-HID lighting picture. I'm just wondering what the differences in the lighting are and how good the HID coverage is (and I'm very concerned about that sharp cutoff limiting effective light and effective lighting range).
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This is a good comparison between Halogen vs. HID. The following shows the stock halogen lighting on an NSX vs. an HID retrofit.

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so your saying your halogens light up the ditches?
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No, the lights that they put on this car SUCK. I see no point or reason to projector beam lights. However, my SVT Contour (double reflector) had awesome headlights (especially with Solaris bulbs) with critter lights (driving lamps) placed and aimed properly to light up the ditches beautifully.

Thank you for the pics, Cornholio... I think it leaves me right where Rox said... I need to find a way to get an HID equipped car out in BFE to really evaluate the headlights without light pollution. The RX-8, TL, and Mazdaspeed6 were all in daytime or highly lit areas.

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i don't see how the picture above doesn't help you decide.

have you ever drove down the road next to or behind a car that is equipped with HID? if they are close behind, i notice that the HID tends to drone out my headlights on the ground or will light up a part of the road that my headlights don't seem to reach.

i can understand where you are coming from in saying that you want to see it in person with your own eyes.
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