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I was thinking the other day about going to a junk yard and pulling off the HID kit from some car that has them that come from the factory. i was going to do some research and see what cars had the same size bulb and all that fun stuff. could this be done? i mean, i would much rather pay the junk yard 50 bucks or so to get the HIDs off of them if it instead of buying a kit for 200 bucks. any suggestions?
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In order to do this, you'd have to retrofit the projector. Factory HID bulbs are D2S or D2R and neither will fit into the 6's stock projectors. Plus, factory HID systems are in very high demand in the HID-retrofit community, so I betcha you'd pay a lot more than $50 at a junkyard, if you could find one at all. Bosch projectors and ballasts fit the 6 perfectly, check the pinned thread at the top for retrofit instructions.

You'll have a really hard time finding what you need at a junkyard I'll bet. Check ebay or www.hidplanet.com if you want to go this route.


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From the junkyard you are getting used electrical components. Plus there would be no or limited warranty.
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From the junkyard you are getting used electrical components.* Plus there would be no or limited warranty.
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this is very true. i was going to look for a newer car and tell the junkyard crew i was looking for something else. thanks for the info mzbuckeye, i will check into that.
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pololance6i,

If you're going to do this, keep the following points in mind (btw what you're planning on doing is called a "retrofit", as MZBuckeye mentioned):

1. The projector you need to find, needs to come off a BMW E46 or an Audi TT. These cars have Bosch projetors that are a direct fit in the Mazda6 low-beam.
2. These Bosch projectors will take a D2S bulb.
3. You'll need to find ballasts that are rated at 35W with the appropriate D2S plug on the end. Hella, Osram, Philips are examples of reliable brands.
4. There's no guarantee that the parts you're buying (ballast and bulb especially) will be in working order if buying from a junkyard.
5. Junkyards might not be selling this stuff cheaply since they're starting to clue-in that HID components are highly sought after.
6. Look on eBay for the same components... HID retrofit components are big business. Just to give you an idea of what eBay prices are: A pair of Bosch E46 projectors go for about $120 a pair. Look at spending around $250 on a pair of ballasts and an additional $100 for a pair of bulbs.

I currently have a kit. I've been researching retrofits and kits for the past 1.5 years now. I can't wait to get enough money scraped together to do a proper retrofit myself. Trust me, initially the kit was cool, bit nothing beats a retrofit.

Also, for a good resource on retrofits and the like, check out: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/ (their forum seems to have been plagued by technical issues as of late).

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Hmm, so which required parts do not come with the kits? Just the projectors right? (most kids include blubls + balasts) If somone has a kit, would they be able to upgrade to a true retrofit by adding HID projectors like you mentioned? Or.. do i have it completely wrong?


PS. I doubt youll be able to find a working pair at a junkyard, expecially from 1 car as most "wrecks" are front damage. Rear or side is less likely and is more often easily repaired so rear and side wrecks are fixed more often then sent to a junkyard, but there are exceptions so it wont hurt to try and look.

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Ok, let me explain some more:

Installing an HID kit is not the same as doing a retrofit. Its correct that HID kits do not come with projectors. This is because the bulbs that ship with an HID kit have physically been altered to fit inside a stock halogen projector. In other words, OEM HID bulbs (D2S) have been converted, or re-based, to fit an H1, H3, H4 or whatever halogen socket.

So, in essence, when installing an HID kit, there is no need to replace the projectors.

Now, there are numerous drawbacks to installing re-based HID bulbs into halogen projectors... I'll be happy to discuss this in length in a separate post.

To answer your question whether its possible to take a kit and use it as a foundation for doing a proper retofit... the answer is both yes and no.

The only useful part in an HID kit when considering a retrofit, and this is an arguable opinion, are the ballasts. The bulbs will be useless. So unless you are dead certain that your kit provided you with a wicked set of ballasts (i.e. totally reliable), then it is conceivable to use these ballasts in a retrofit, provided you purchase an adapter that takes the plugs that are common on HID kit ballasts (AMP plugs I believe they're called) and converts them to D2S plugs.

You can then purchase D2S projectors and bulbs and hook it all up.

But, I should mention that HID kits never come with really great ballasts to begin with... the exception possibly being XTEC or some of the more expensive kits.

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Very clear, thanks so much! Well, then i think ill wait and save up for a proper retro then. 450 over 350 for the xtech isnt that much considering the tradeoff. And who knows, i may get a good deal as well so it may be around the same price. Time to find and tear up an M3 front .

EDIT after searching ebay: Where does the "igniter" come into play? I see balasts on ebay from M3's but they often dont make mention of the igniter, while others do.

Something like this then is what you are suggesting? Projectors seem to be running anywhere between 60-100 average. Bosch from an M3 that is. Ebay Link

Is used ok or do you suggest new? (got me really interested)

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The only useful part in an HID kit when considering a retrofit, and this is an arguable opinion, are the ballasts. The bulbs will be useless.[/b]
I just wanted to note that Xtec does offer D2S HID Kits, which would include both the ballasts and bulbs necessary to complete a retrofit. The kits are the same price as our other kits and I have tested to ensure proper fitment with the Bosch E46/TT projectors mentioned above (in my car).

The biggest challenge in doing this that I ran into was running the D2S connector from the ballast to the back of the bulb inside of the headlamp assembly. I ended up running the wire through the large dust cap behind the fog lamps and then snaking it back to the rear of the low beam projector. The advantage to this is it doesn't look messy. The disadvantage is that if the ballast ever fails, I will have to disassemble the headlamp assembly to remove/replace it.

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so how much has it cost you to set up the retrofit you currently use in your car? i was just guessing that the electrical stuff used to make the HIDs can be assembled a lot cheaper than what the kits go for. in doing this i realize that expertise and quality are diminished greatly.
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