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Man, can't wait to see this car weigh in, other auto xr's are gonna think sub 3000 is normal but here in the 6 community that's practically unheard of. Nice job mate.


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Thanks for all the positive feedback and big thanks to those buying parts to help keep this project funded.

The weight shedding continues. Here the mufflers, heat sheilds and rear bumper bar is out. The bumper cover will go back on.


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If I have missed this, forgive me. Is it a safe assumption that you are/will run coil-overs to compensate for the increased ride height/effective spring rate from your "diet"? I'm curious to some of the other parts additions/exchanges you will be doing. Care to share?

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Greg -

I donít have a hard and fast plan as of yet. Experience dictates that priorities will be:
1) Lose as much weight as possible
2) Install proper safety equipment
3) Fit the widest/stickiest tires possible
4) Learn to drive the car on the track (get some seat time)
5) Make mods to correct specific deficiencies

I tend to take a methodical approach, changing one thing at a time and evaluating the results. To give you an idea, below is the summary of mods to my last track car that evolved over many seasons.

Modifications included:
Underdrive Pulleys
Programmable LPM (secondaries open @3600rpm, rev limiter set @8000rpm)
80mm MAF
K&N w/Cold air induction snorkel
8mm Taylor wires
Adjustable Koni Struts
Coilovers w/Eibach and Carerra Springs (3 sets: 700lb/in, 450lb/in, 350lb/in)
Front camber plates
Adjustable rear control arms for camber and toe
Torque box H-brace
Poly bushings everywhere
24mm front Swaybar
26mm rear Swaybar
Aluminum Subframe Bushings (shaved 1/2")
Front & Rear strut tower braces
Custom hi-flow exhaust
Trunk located battery
Five point harnesses
Five 2" gauges (mech oil pres, mech water temp, mech vac, elec trans temp, volts)
2-piece front rotors w/ aluminum hats
SS brake lines
Wilwood Superlite 4-piston calipers & Hawk Pads
Full length sub-frame connectors

I plan to do items 1, 2, 3 by the end of the month so I can do number 4 in Sept at VIR - which Iíve already registered and paid for.

If you haven't shopped lately, safety equipment is pricey.
Helmet is good for 10yrs, mine just expired - $300
Harnesses are good for 5yrs, mine are expired - $300 for two sets
Hans device in no longer optional - $650
Custom cage - $1500 to $2000

After I run events in Sept, Oct and Nov, I will likely use the off-season to work on the suspension.

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^^^^^^^

Damn dude, I am liking this! Coming from Pro teams, you are bang on the target here with your plan.

My only suggestion (which along with $5 will buy you coffee...maybe) would be to switch to a FIA-approved race seat for you. I know its cash you would rather not spend (I was known as team No-Budget when I raced my rally truck), but trust me it is WELL worth the investment.

Saftey-wise, its a no brainer. Factory seats have springs which will cause you to move in the seat too much on impact. Hell, it could even cause your HANS to slip in an extreme side or multi impact crash. Also, the seat frames arent nearly as strong as race seats so they could possibly fail at the wrong time. Lastly, the padding in race seats will protect you far better when it counts. Just food for thought

From a performance aspect, you will see a major difference in your feel/performance if you have never tried them before. When I switched in the RallyBlazer, I shaved SECONDS off my rallycross times. The confidence you gain is breathtaking. Also, you never realize just how much you are bracing yourself in non-race seats. Some will argue that the belts are supposed to hold you in the seat. Not true! Belts KEEP you in the seat when you brake and run out of talent (tongue-in-cheek). I simply cannot explain the difference in words. My driving ability went off the scale in comparison with that one change. If you havent tried it before, you gotta do it. In fact, I would suggest to put that in place before you do any serious suspension work. It might just save you some hunting and/or wasted time and purchases!

I see you live in NC...if you ever get out towards Indy, drop me a line...would love to hang out and see this baby run in person!

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I tend to take a methodical approach, changing one thing at a time and evaluating the results.
For any aspiring tuners/racers out there....heed those words as holy scripture. I have worked with and learned from the very best in many forms of motorsport...and this is precisely how you win

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Greg -

Programmable LPM (secondaries open @3600rpm, rev limiter set @8000rpm) not positive what a LPM is? Launch control maybe? not familiar with that acronym

80mm MAF CP-E, bomz, injen, fujita, and few other intakes will do this with stock maf. all require a tune

Front camber plates don't exist or work on this platform, SPC ball joints are the closets you will get without redesigning the suspension

Adjustable rear control arms for camber and toe don't exist yet

Swaybars closest you will find are what Racing beat use to sell.I don't think they make them anymore IIRC

Front & Rear strut tower braces only rear strut brace that was in existence was the Gtspec one that never made production.

Full length sub-frame connectors weld in I assume?

few things to know.


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Flipper - Yeah, how nice would it be to transfer all those mods from the last car to this one. Sadly, that never seems to work out.

Greg - Real seats are on the list. I have used them & I agree they really allow you to focus on driving. My old MR2 seat work because driving instructors vary in size. And some times I have a co-driver and let's just say we are not the same size. Nice thing about the MR2 seat is the side bolsters are adjustable in/out, the thigh support is adjustable and they are very light. Though some times I worry they are not as strong as race seats. All good points - Thanks!

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On the upside There are several choices out there to fit your 6 off the shelf and a few companies who are willing to support the community in the even something off the shelf doesn't exist.

As you start assemblying some of these items, I know people like myself, Justin, Dave, and a few others would also be interested in things like poly bushings being made and maybe we can get the ball rolling on them being production items.

I know SU/SURE is testing and fabbing some of the stuff you are looking for, which is why I say "not yet," so don't let that sway you or scare you away. Solid or close to solid mounts, RB sways, coilovers, and a good set of brakes make the car amazingly more responsive and track ready.


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Solid or close to solid mounts, RB sways, coilovers, and a good set of brakes make the car amazingly more responsive and track ready.
The other point obviously is that the driver is the key to any "good car". I have been on two teams that had "rich guy" wanna-be race car drivers. They were in top-flite, state of the art cars and couldnt drive out a barn with the doors open and a pace car to lead the way. I watched those exact same cars, with no changes, almost WIN with good drivers

I will take a good driver over a good car any day of the week...and twice on Sundays

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