Mazdaspeed6 vs Subaru LegacyGT or STI Purchase

[mazdarage]

I started this post yesterday and have run into some interesting responses from the Subaru guys. Some of their responses or very typical and lack any common sense where as others are asking questions I cannot answer.

For one thing they are trying to state that the AWD of the MS6 is not a true awd. Needless to say I am posting this to get some feedback, but not to start a stupid rival between company's. Someone posted a link to a Mustang website and we jumped on the bandwagon freaking out and getting the thread locked. Please lets not have that happen this is a genuine thread and I would love some posotive feedback.

If you have any knowledge about anything that is in queston about the MS6 please comment.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1212447

PS: I will say that they hate us over there though lol..........

[ninecoronas]

Subies are a bunch of arrogant jagoffs. They think that because they have a 2-3 year headstart in the market that their car cleans house. Well, to be fair, the subie AWD is very decent, however, to say that the speed6's AWD sucks is like saying that Stephen Hawking is a dumbass. And what's this about Mazda's not being reliable? Remember that little study by consumer digest or something that said (in the 2-3 year run) that Mazda's were the most realible? What? Plus reflash fixed majority of problems, only things we see are what? clutch problems? Actually, I haven't seen a clutch problem in the past two months brought up on this forum.

The Legacy GT is a ugly POS. Sure it may have good aftermarket, but the hood scope, and the interior turn it off immediately. Plus the fact that the speeds are relatively the same means that the MS6 kicks ass in our department.

As for the STI, its a rally car like the EVO. The speed6 is in a completely different category. That comparison is just a cheapshot at our car.

And finally. Mazda does not equal Ford. To say Mazda = Ford would be to say that Ferrari = Fiat, Lamborgini = Audi = Volkswagon, and so on.

[BigBens6]

The legacy GT is a badass car and the MS6 is its closest competition, in head to heads the LGT is normally .1 faster in the 1/4 and 0-60 so really, it is a drivers race, alot of that .1 has to do with WHEN gear changes occur, if you did a 5/16ths mile or a 0-70 race they would be dead even.

The STI is a serious performer but has less room, and no where near as good a ride or fit and finish, so the MS6 and LGT are comprable, the STI is more an EVO competitor, comparing the STI to the LGT or MS6 is a waste they are designed for COMPLETELY different buyers.

Subaru has full time AWD, the MS6 is more of a "when you need it" awd, which saves gas in some minds, I will tell you this, I have NEVER felt like the AWD in my car was slot to react or engaged it self in a manner than upset the vehicle dynamics or was negative in any way...

IMO for the price you can currently get a MS6, there is no competition, Subarus RAERLY go on sale, and i got my MS6 for less than a WRX TR, about 2,500 less....

[Japan8]

^ +1

Nice post!

[shadrach]

I have to say you sound like a troll in that post, and are just asking to start something buy telling people NOT to start something.

I don't understand what your question is. You own an MS6 and plan to keep it, but want a second car exactly like it? The MS6 and LGT are so close to the same target that personal preference should make the decision, but why buy a second MS6? And the STi is the same as an Evo, which neither of these are in the same cateogry as the MS6.

[ninecoronas]

I would also like to point out that we as a community "do not have our heads in the clouds" when it comes to mods and topics.

So theres a group buy on motor mounts? big woop. start a thread if you want to ask something. our heads are in the clouds when it comes to mods? Hmm...probably its because theres not that much available at the moment and we actually care about our cars?

Honestly, you said you didn't want to start anything yet you should realize that if you link it up, and then talk shit about us on their forum, we're not going to respond so well.

[mazda6club6]

I considered both a WRX and a Legacy GT as alternatives to the MS6. On paper and by word of mouth, the Subie is a strong competitor. Likes about both Subarus include the strong tuning support, a stout reinfocing pipe in the A and B pillars (they issue instructions to EMT crews showing where to cut them if need be), reliability, and driveline holds up to a fair amount of additional hp/hard launches. Dislikes: 1 higher price. The LGT was more than the MS6, to get a sporty, but still softer than the MS6 setup one has to get their SpecB at well over 30K street price. 2. Hood scoop. The WRX hood scoop just shouts for the wrong kind of attention, the Legacy's is less obvious but still a detriment. 3 No stability control (they have it in 07). *Love* the DSC in the MS6, it activates only when you need it, just wish I could switch off trac control and leave DSC on. 4 On paper (magazine comments) place the Subie's suspension as softer and the structure as more flexy. They didn't add bracing to the GT/Spec B models like MZ did with the 6. 5. C/Ds long term LGT had a number of issues. I now think this doesn't reflect on the overall reliability of the car but did at the time I began shoppnig. All of those mags exist to sell cars and write to please their advertisers - C/D is large enough to occasionally say what they think, so I give them more credence than most car rags. Looking into it further I'd say recent Subies hold up very well, maybe better than MZ.
Street price was a major issue. If the base LGT was near the same price I would have waited to test drive it, but MZ was basically handing me a year of free driving. Since an LGT Spec B would have been over $10,000 more it went the player list.
I'd tell you more about the LGT, except that when I saw an offer for 9500 off sticker on the MS6 I quit looking for other test drives and grabbed it. They were flying out of the dealership during that sale.

I've grown to like the MS6, especially it's quiet but not meek style. It's clearly a performance car but nothing is pleading for attention. That's backed up in the driving experience: MZ went further in making this a driver's car than other mfrs. You can feel the structural stiffening in a tight S-turn, the suspension is tighter than anything else of it's type, there's 6 gears to play with and brakes near what you get on a BMW. Now I'm hoping we can find the potential in the Direct Injection tech, bringing out the fuel economy and power that should be possible.
Which one's better? I couldn't care less - I'm having too much fun with my MS6.

[Jericho941]

I say go for it, get the LGT (because you already have an MS6). Why not have both.

They are both great cars, and I considered both. The choice that made sense to me was the MS6. I don't like the dated looks of the Legacy, though the performance and available tuning/mods makes it appealing. You can buy an LGT and spend $1500 on tuning and bolt-ons and have a seriously fast sedan RIGHT NOW, today. I also like the 5-speed gear ratios better. Stock suspension in the LGT needs to be upgraded, the Mazda seems fine.

If I did not need a real back seat I would have probably bought an STi Limmited, an maybe considered spending an extra 15k for a BMW 335. But I can't imagine ever owning a car smaller than the 6 - it is not big.

I think the Mazda AWD is more full time than most people believe. It is not a weakness of the car IMHO. The weakness is the weight and the stock tune, but I think the LGT is pretty fat too.

Look at the cars, test drive the cars, compare street prices, pick the one you like best, you know the drill. What cars did you compare when you bought the MS6?? If you compared with the LGT already why did YOU choose the MS6??

Having two cars to mod and tune will be expensive - consider that also. Maybe you should get a RAV4.

The legacy GT is a badass car and the MS6 is its closest competition, in head to heads the LGT is normally .1 faster in the 1/4 and 0-60 so really, it is a drivers race, alot of that .1 has to do with WHEN gear changes occur, if you did a 5/16ths mile or a 0-70 race they would be dead even.

The STI is a serious performer but has less room, and no where near as good a ride or fit and finish, so the MS6 and LGT are comprable, the STI is more an EVO competitor, comparing the STI to the LGT or MS6 is a waste they are designed for COMPLETELY different buyers.

Subaru has full time AWD, the MS6 is more of a "when you need it" awd, which saves gas in some minds, I will tell you this, I have NEVER felt like the AWD in my car was slot to react or engaged it self in a manner than upset the vehicle dynamics or was negative in any way...

IMO for the price you can currently get a MS6, there is no competition, Subarus RAERLY go on sale, and i got my MS6 for less than a WRX TR, about 2,500 less....[/b]

[mazdarage]

I would also like to point out that we as a community "do not have our heads in the clouds" when it comes to mods and topics.

So theres a group buy on motor mounts? big woop. start a thread if you want to ask something. our heads are in the clouds when it comes to mods? Hmm...probably its because theres not that much available at the moment and we actually care about our cars?

Honestly, you said you didn't want to start anything yet you should realize that if you link it up, and then talk shit about us on their forum, we're not going to respond so well.[/b]

Now Now Now.......I am not trying to insight violence amongst the Mazda guys. I love my MS6 and whent he mods come out I will be extatic to get them done to my car. I am not a troll or anything like that either. In fact I had no intention of posting a link until all these questions about reliability and crap started.

As far as people having their heads in the clouds I will stand by what I am stating. Let me reiterate though, I feel that due to the fact that our car is new to the market and there is not a lot to do to it --->YET<--- SOME people go all crazy. These motor mounts are just comical to me because thats like all we can do. I am not saying in anyway that we dont know what the hell were talking about. I ....hmmmm well I am contradicting myself right now as I am trying to make sense of what I am trying to say. I know we "Care about our cars" as well and that was never what I was trying to say. I am not talking crap about us either ninecoronas.

In response to the LGT I was only going to get that car because in my eyes its one of the only cars I really know of that has lots of mod capable things already in place AND the luxo that I enjoy. I dont want just a muscle car, but a sleeper that wont attract a lot of attention and will rip apart cars when needed. I know that the MS6 one year from now will be a huge topic amongst many of the forums and everyone is going to say DAMN that car is sleek, has amazing options and upgrades, and just kicked the crap out of me. Right now were small by comparison and some community's call us "Fordy" and my buddy who drives an Sti always giggles and tells me how the MS6 is maxxed out already and has all of it's potential maxxed. NOPE! A storm is brewing and a lot of people are going to dropping some major F-bombs once the tuning solutions come out. When the Cobb TUning solution is ready then we will see a lot of people modding their cars even more based off of the tuning ability's. I speak for many when I say that once that comes out we will be seeing a huge influx of Dyno's, 1/4 miles, and other good stuff

I hope yall don't start hating on me for just speaking my mind as if I am stabbing family in the back ok. I am just talking cars, but I do realize many of you have a lot invested in the MS6 and are very proud of the fact that you drive such a nice car. In reference to that I apoligize and hope that I do not offend you. I really enjoy the community here and support everyone.

[ninecoronas]

Now Now Now.......I am not trying to insight violence amongst the Mazda guys. I love my MS6 and whent he mods come out I will be extatic to get them done to my car. I am not a troll or anything like that either. In fact I had no intention of posting a link until all these questions about reliability and crap started.

As far as people having their heads in the clouds I will stand by what I am stating. Let me reiterate though, I feel that due to the fact that our car is new to the market and there is not a lot to do to it --->YET<--- SOME people go all crazy. These motor mounts are just comical to me because thats like all we can do. I am not saying in anyway that we dont know what the hell were talking about. I ....hmmmm well I am contradicting myself right now as I am trying to make sense of what I am trying to say. I know we "Care about our cars" as well and that was never what I was trying to say. I am not talking crap about us either ninecoronas.

In response to the LGT I was only going to get that car because in my eyes its one of the only cars I really know of that has lots of mod capable things already in place AND the luxo that I enjoy. I dont want just a muscle car, but a sleeper that wont attract a lot of attention and will rip apart cars when needed. I know that the MS6 one year from now will be a huge topic amongst many of the forums and everyone is going to say DAMN that car is sleek, has amazing options and upgrades, and just kicked the crap out of me. Right now were small by comparison and some community's call us "Fordy" and my buddy who drives an Sti always giggles and tells me how the MS6 is maxxed out already and has all of it's potential maxxed. NOPE! A storm is brewing and a lot of people are going to dropping some major F-bombs once the tuning solutions come out. When the Cobb TUning solution is ready then we will see a lot of people modding their cars even more based off of the tuning ability's. I speak for many when I say that once that comes out we will be seeing a huge influx of Dyno's, 1/4 miles, and other good stuff

I hope yall don't start hating on me for just speaking my mind as if I am stabbing family in the back ok. I am just talking cars, but I do realize many of you have a lot invested in the MS6 and are very proud of the fact that you drive such a nice car. In reference to that I apoligize and hope that I do not offend you. I really enjoy the community here and support everyone.[/b]

Then forgive my misinterpretation of your words.