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Quorum · 01-25-2009, 03:20 AM

Kazera KZ-H (20.6lbs) vs Borbet XL Black (23lbs)

(18x8, 235/45 tire)

performance vs looks

which would you choose?

Looks are more important to me since I don't race, but I don't know whether I would "feel" better with the lighter rims knowing I can accelerate faster (?) and save more gas? Or is this just psychological?

Please help! Thanks for the advice!

xxxmonoxidechild · 01-25-2009, 07:59 AM

kazera's. more so cause the quality they build into there rims. borbet's arent gargbage. but kazera is known for there quality, and manufacturing of quality wheels.

Raynman · 01-25-2009, 08:15 AM

Kazera. I'm not feeling the Borbet design.

kyo7878 · 01-25-2009, 11:01 AM

Kazera +1.

Quorum · 01-25-2009, 02:58 PM

I appreciate everyone's opinions regards to their preference, but I guess what I'm asking is: is the difference in weight a big concern to you? Or is it such a small difference that I shouldn't care? Given that I prefer the Borbet design (because the spokes go to the edge of the rim which I like very much), should I be concerned about the heavier weight? What does the stock 2009 Maz6 18"x8 weigh?

Thanks!

nate0123 · 01-25-2009, 06:14 PM

Lol... where were you guys when I was getting bashed for mentioning "Kazera" wheels (which I have and like)?

Between those two, I'd pick the Kazeras based on design alone. The Borbets have too much black space that I think would look odd on the 2g 6. I also prefer the look of a 3d wheel spoke to a flat machined face on an otherwise blacked out wheel.

bill_beaver · 01-25-2009, 06:30 PM

Kazera +1

gondlesnorf · 01-25-2009, 06:33 PM

kazera +1

Quorum · 01-26-2009, 12:00 AM

Again - let's put design aside. Please just let me know if I should be concerned about the difference in performance. If you want to look at it another way: imagine if the Borbets were the ones that weighed less - would you still pick the Kazeras? (for those who prefer the Kazera design).

And by the way, I no longer want the black - I prefer the graphite Borbet XL. Check out these pics:

http://alloywheels.borbet.co.uk/xlg.php

You can't say that they don't look HOT! Anyway - please help me out with regards to the WEIGHT issue. Should I really be concerned if I don't race? Thanks.

nate0123 · 01-26-2009, 07:35 AM

^^ much better in graphite ^^

the heavier the wheel & tire combo, the more resistant the car will be to changes in speed (acceleration & braking) and changes in direction (steering)

it doesn't only affect racers; around town (especially at low speeds) the lighter the wheels the more responsive your car will feel

01-25-2009, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
xxxmonoxidechild Track Racer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rockford,IL Posts: 973 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	kazera's. more so cause the quality they build into there rims. borbet's arent gargbage. but kazera is known for there quality, and manufacturing of quality wheels. __________________

01-25-2009, 08:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Raynman Mazda Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bridgewater, New Jersey Posts: 4,766 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Kazera. I'm not feeling the Borbet design. __________________ 04 Mazda 6s 5 Door - MAZDASPEED MOTORSPORTS DEVELOPMENT

01-25-2009, 06:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
nate0123 Track Racer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 617 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Lol... where were you guys when I was getting bashed for mentioning "Kazera" wheels (which I have and like)? Between those two, I'd pick the Kazeras based on design alone. The Borbets have too much black space that I think would look odd on the 2g 6. I also prefer the look of a 3d wheel spoke to a flat machined face on an otherwise blacked out wheel. __________________ 2003 Mazda6 S 3.0 5-speed Manual Mazdaspeed Hatch/Wagon Springs \| OEM Mazdaspeed6 Shocks \| Cordova Motorsports Optimized Throttle Body \| CP-E Wishbone Motor Mount \| Magnaflow Catback Exhaust \| 17x7 Mazda MX-5 Wheels \| 225/50-17 Toyo Proxes4 Tires \| Clear Sidemarkers \| OEM Mazdaspeed6 Tail Lights \| AudioLink iPod Adaptor \| Protege5 Leather Shift Knob

01-25-2009, 06:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
bill_beaver Drivers License Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hamden, CT Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Kazera +1 __________________ 2007 Black Mica Mazdaspeed 6 GT

01-25-2009, 06:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
gondlesnorf Drivers License Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	kazera +1 __________________ 2003 Mazda 6s MTX (Look me up in the registry!)</span> Redfire paint, Bose stereo system, black leather interior, Rvinyl blacked out lights all around, 5% tint front and back, black rims, blacked out emblems, Black Atenza Badge, TomTom One3 GPS, Audiolink MP3 USB adapter, TWM short shifter, Custom Spectre CAI, Scangauge, Blendmount for Scangauge, Apexcone DDE Lighting Raptor Edition. Red LED interior 194 replacement,Yokohama Parada Spec2 on 18" Kazera KZ-J, Cp-E Wishbone Mount,<span style="color:green"> Cp-E MAF Customizer Injen Fix, more mods require more money. Future mods: . Cp-E Headers and Y-pipe, Magnaflow Cat-Back exhaust, ejector seat, flamethrower, stripper pole.

01-25-2009, 03:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
Quorum Drivers License Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Kazera KZ-H (20.6lbs) vs Borbet XL Black (23lbs) (18x8, 235/45 tire) performance vs looks which would you choose? Looks are more important to me since I don't race, but I don't know whether I would "feel" better with the lighter rims knowing I can accelerate faster (?) and save more gas? Or is this just psychological? Please help! Thanks for the advice!

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01-25-2009, 11:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
kyo7878 Learners License Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Kazera +1.

01-25-2009, 02:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
Quorum Drivers License Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	I appreciate everyone's opinions regards to their preference, but I guess what I'm asking is: is the difference in weight a big concern to you? Or is it such a small difference that I shouldn't care? Given that I prefer the Borbet design (because the spokes go to the edge of the rim which I like very much), should I be concerned about the heavier weight? What does the stock 2009 Maz6 18"x8 weigh? Thanks!

01-26-2009, 12:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
Quorum Drivers License Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Again - let's put design aside. Please just let me know if I should be concerned about the difference in performance. If you want to look at it another way: imagine if the Borbets were the ones that weighed less - would you still pick the Kazeras? (for those who prefer the Kazera design). And by the way, I no longer want the black - I prefer the graphite Borbet XL. Check out these pics: http://alloywheels.borbet.co.uk/xlg.php You can't say that they don't look HOT! Anyway - please help me out with regards to the WEIGHT issue. Should I really be concerned if I don't race? Thanks.

01-26-2009, 07:35 AM	#10 (permalink)
nate0123 Track Racer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 617 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	^^ much better in graphite ^^ the heavier the wheel & tire combo, the more resistant the car will be to changes in speed (acceleration & braking) and changes in direction (steering) it doesn't only affect racers; around town (especially at low speeds) the lighter the wheels the more responsive your car will feel __________________ 2003 Mazda6 S 3.0 5-speed Manual Mazdaspeed Hatch/Wagon Springs \| OEM Mazdaspeed6 Shocks \| Cordova Motorsports Optimized Throttle Body \| CP-E Wishbone Motor Mount \| Magnaflow Catback Exhaust \| 17x7 Mazda MX-5 Wheels \| 225/50-17 Toyo Proxes4 Tires \| Clear Sidemarkers \| OEM Mazdaspeed6 Tail Lights \| AudioLink iPod Adaptor \| Protege5 Leather Shift Knob