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JDMAtenza21 · 12-01-2007, 04:26 PM

There have been a couple threads on staggered rims, and if I remember correctly, many members advised against it. How come? I remember people saying that a staggered setup isn't good for a FWD car, but I don't really know why. I'm looking at a set of Volks that are FRONT: 18x7.5 +48 REAR: 18x8.5 +50. The fronts will fit fine, and the rears should be able to fit with a roll (maybe). What do you guys think about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RAYS-VOLK-R...1QQcmdZViewItem

Dmac43 · 12-01-2007, 04:34 PM

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There have been a couple threads on staggered rims, and if I remember correctly, many members advised against it. How come? I remember people saying that a staggered setup isn't good for a FWD car, but I don't really know why. I'm looking at a set of Volks that are FRONT: 18x7.5 +48 REAR: 18x8.5 +50. The fronts will fit fine, and the rears should be able to fit with a roll (maybe). What do you guys think about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RAYS-VOLK-R...1QQcmdZViewItem[/b]

One simple reason is that FWD cars are hard on tires, and you would not have the ability to rotate them...

I would also assume that it would have something to do with the dynamics of the FWD and the suspension design

MrTea · 12-01-2007, 04:35 PM

for a single drive car (fwd or rwd) you won't see any "issues" from a staggered setup as long as they fit in there. on an AWD setup is when there tends to be issues. i would guess the only problems you'll get from the staggered setup is people making fun of you for putting larger wheels out back.

FormulaLT1 · 12-01-2007, 04:46 PM

another one is understeer. you don't need extra grip in the back, you need it up front. which is why if there ever comes a time when I can blow a lot of money on rims, I'm going to have a reverse stagger (wider front) to help with traction out of corners. I'm certain a 245 will fit with proper offset. mmm meaty goodness.

posttosh · 12-01-2007, 05:39 PM

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There have been a couple threads on staggered rims, and if I remember correctly, many members advised against it. How come? I remember people saying that a staggered setup isn't good for a FWD car, but I don't really know why. I'm looking at a set of Volks that are FRONT: 18x7.5 +48 REAR: 18x8.5 +50. The fronts will fit fine, and the rears should be able to fit with a roll (maybe). What do you guys think about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RAYS-VOLK-R...1QQcmdZViewItem[/b]

The purpose of narrower front tires and wider rear tires on a RWD car is to compensate for/prevent against oversteer; the set-up (affected by inflation pressure) tends to make the car oversteer less. That is why such set-ups are prevalent on very rear-heavy cars like Porsche 911's. Now, unmodified, the front-heavy Mazda6 tends to understeer, not oversteer like a Porsche. The kind of staggered set-up you seem to be contemplating would exacerbate the inherent understeer.

On our Mazda6, we have adopted a mild kind of "reverse" staggered set-up, running wider 225/50R17 tires on the front and narrower 205/55R17 tires at the rear (all on OEM 17x7 rims). That combination corrects somewhat for the inherent understeer of the Mazda6.

6gt · 12-01-2007, 10:44 PM

I have stagger for summer. 17x7.5 with 235/45/R17 & 17x8.5 with 245/45/17. Also Stagger offset. I think a 43mm for the front with 245 & 45mm for the rear with 235. (IIRC) My 6s is even drop with teins & tokicos. I like the look of a fat tires better than a skinny tire.

JDMAtenza21 · 12-02-2007, 03:45 PM

Thanks for the help guys, I don't think i'm gonna get them tho. Little more than I want to spend for a 2nd set of rims...

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I have stagger for summer. 17x7.5 with 235/45/R17 & 17x8.5 with 245/45/17. Also Stagger offset. I think a 43mm for the front with 245 & 45mm for the rear with 235. (IIRC) My 6s is even drop with teins & tokicos. I like the look of a fat tires better than a skinny tire.[/b]

You're running an 8.5" wide rim with a 45 offset in the back?? With no rubbing? Please let me know cuz I want to get a set in 18x8.5 +47 but I didn't think they would fit.

Egierda · 12-02-2007, 07:31 PM

8.5 in a +45 sounds like it would rub without a huge roll (maybe even a pit of pulling). i'm running an 8 inch width with a +45 and i specifically looked for tires with a massive taper in the side-wall to avoid rubbing....i still had to roll my fenders once i dropped the car.

i'd definitely like to see that setup too

..if it clears, it'd be seeeeexy!

JDMAtenza21 · 12-02-2007, 08:33 PM

Yeah but the ones i'm looking at are 8.5" with a 47 offset. I was gonna put 225/35 tires on them.

Bigbaddad · 12-02-2007, 09:20 PM

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Yeah but the ones i'm looking at are 8.5" with a 47 offset. I was gonna put 225/35 tires on them.[/b]

That fitment sounds pretty good.....and the stretch will look nice! imo

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12-01-2007, 04:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
JDMAtenza21 Rally Racer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	There have been a couple threads on staggered rims, and if I remember correctly, many members advised against it. How come? I remember people saying that a staggered setup isn't good for a FWD car, but I don't really know why. I'm looking at a set of Volks that are FRONT: 18x7.5 +48 REAR: 18x8.5 +50. The fronts will fit fine, and the rears should be able to fit with a roll (maybe). What do you guys think about this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RAYS-VOLK-R...1QQcmdZViewItem __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S Nighthawk Black Pearl The Carbon Volcano SOLD! DO WORK

12-01-2007, 04:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
MrTea Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,131 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	for a single drive car (fwd or rwd) you won't see any "issues" from a staggered setup as long as they fit in there. on an AWD setup is when there tends to be issues. i would guess the only problems you'll get from the staggered setup is people making fun of you for putting larger wheels out back. __________________ '03 Lapis(mostly) 6i...Tranny swap by Gillis Motorsports : MTX-75 5speed tranny, 4.06 gears, Torsen LSD & chromoly axles, Engine build by Gillis Motorsports: 9:1 Supertech Pistons, Crower rods, Supertech valves, springs & retainers, ARP head & main studs, F2 Stage2 Turbo, Custom F2 engine/tranny mounts, 3" Turboback exhaust, Tein Basic Coilovers, Brembo Big Brake Kit and Rotora Rear Rotors, RacingBeat Front & Rear Sways, Seibon OEM hood, VF Engineering rear engine mount, Powdercoated Valvecover, TEIN hood dampers, Some sort of Body Kit from some company usually last dyno 8/23, 10psi...260HP/267TQ Still need: Seat, cage, Gillis suspension...then i'm DONE!!

12-01-2007, 04:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
FormulaLT1 Track Racer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Allen, TX Posts: 270 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	another one is understeer. you don't need extra grip in the back, you need it up front. which is why if there ever comes a time when I can blow a lot of money on rims, I'm going to have a reverse stagger (wider front) to help with traction out of corners. I'm certain a 245 will fit with proper offset. mmm meaty goodness. __________________ 06 Mazda6s ATX Modified exhaust Gutted airbox with cold air ducting RB springs and rear sway bar 17x8s w/ 245/45 Hankook RS2s

12-01-2007, 10:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
6gt Track Racer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 802 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	I have stagger for summer. 17x7.5 with 235/45/R17 & 17x8.5 with 245/45/17. Also Stagger offset. I think a 43mm for the front with 245 & 45mm for the rear with 235. (IIRC) My 6s is even drop with teins & tokicos. I like the look of a fat tires better than a skinny tire. __________________ Need a v6 block? Or set of heads? Would be a great idea for those who want to go FI and have a block/Heads handy or sent to be built with no down time. PM if interested!

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Egierda Rally Racer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,776 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	8.5 in a +45 sounds like it would rub without a huge roll (maybe even a pit of pulling). i'm running an 8 inch width with a +45 and i specifically looked for tires with a massive taper in the side-wall to avoid rubbing....i still had to roll my fenders once i dropped the car. i'd definitely like to see that setup too ..if it clears, it'd be seeeeexy! __________________ *04' 6s MTX sedan* - Tein - TC Sportline - Seibon - AEM - Magnaflow - Cusco - Streetglow - Momo - iRotors - Hawk Performance - Maxcar - Ignited - Exile - American Bass - Legacy - TenzoR - Falken - Redline - TWM - Compustar - Racing Beat - AWR - Autometer - Lotek - AutoExe - Megan - Feather Carbon - Autolumination - Wedge Engineering - Scroth - Sparco - Sabelt - NRG - DG Motorsports - Carbon Creations - Cordova Motorsports - Sniper Tuning - Axxess - GT Spec - Tanabe - CP-E - Scangauge - Steeda - Hella - Aero Catch - ELF Racing - Stoptech - Car_LED - ARP - Project Kics

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12-02-2007, 08:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
JDMAtenza21 Rally Racer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah but the ones i'm looking at are 8.5" with a 47 offset. I was gonna put 225/35 tires on them. __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S Nighthawk Black Pearl The Carbon Volcano SOLD! DO WORK