Classified rules

[Flyin18T]

My thread about selling my winter tires got locked. The admin mentioned I have less than 50 posts. I understand the site does not want spam, but aren't mods in this forum for a reason?

My point is this.....what is one of the first performance mods any true enthusiast makes to their ride? Tires. Period. Anyone with any sense of anything knows this. So if you pickup your new sports car from the dealer and want to start improving handling immediately you order some new tires. Now you're left with an extra set of stock tires. Can you sell them on your favorite enthusiast car forum?.....NO. Why?....because the new Mazda enthusiast forum you just registered on says you must have XX amount of posts before you're allowed to. If anyone does post a FS thread prior to their 50 post minimum then a mod will CLOSE the thread, when it would take the same amount of effort to CLOSE the thread if it were true spam. Therefore why not just help out your own forum members and let them sell stuff from their car that will help out other forum members?

[DennisW]

My thread about selling my winter tires got locked. The admin mentioned I have less than 50 posts. I understand the site does not want spam, but aren't mods in this forum for a reason?

My point is this.....what is one of the first performance mods any true enthusiast makes to their ride? Tires. Period. Anyone with any sense of anything knows this. So if you pickup your new sports car from the dealer and want to start improving handling immediately you order some new tires. Now you're left with an extra set of stock tires. Can you sell them on your favorite enthusiast car forum?.....NO. Why?....because the new Mazda enthusiast forum you just registered on says you must have XX amount of posts before you're allowed to. If anyone does post a FS thread prior to their 50 post minimum then a mod will CLOSE the thread, when it would take the same amount of effort to CLOSE the thread if it were true spam. Therefore why not just help out your own forum members and let them sell stuff from their car that will help out other forum members?[/b]

You're taking this a bit too personally.

The rules for posting here were written with the intent of safeguarding members as much as is possible on a public forum like this. I can't speak directly for the authors of those rules but I believe we would feel better about sending you a large sum of money sight unseen if we'd gotten a chance to know you a little better and feel a bit more confident that you're actually going to be a trustworthy forum member as opposed to a potential scam artist who registers, posts a bogus for-sale item, takes the money and runs.

So, ya see, it's not just a "spam" issue as much as it is trying to make the buying and selling of items on an internet forum a little safer for the people who do it. IMO, the rules are just fine as they sit. They're the same for everyone so please don't feel discriminated against.

I think this line from the Buy/Sell forum rules post pretty much sums up their intent:

"......It's all about Integrity, honesty, and performance of duty. It's about fulfilling your obligations in your transactions here on the forum. Lately, we have seen an alarming number of trader's, newbie and veteran, coming up with lots of excuses for poor performance in their transactions......"


If you're in that much of a hurry to sell your current wheels and tires, you could try either eBay or Craigslist. You also might check out local car shows and swap meets. In the meanwhile, you can work on that post count by being a participating member of these forums. You may learn something or be able to help someone else out with what you've learned. That's what it's all about (the Lounge forum being an exception to that.... )

[Flyin18T]

You're taking this a bit too personally.

The rules for posting here were written with the intent of safeguarding members as much as is possible on a public forum like this. I can't speak directly for the authors of those rules but I believe we would feel better about sending you a large sum of money sight unseen if we'd gotten a chance to know you a little better and feel a bit more confident that you're actually going to be a trustworthy forum member as opposed to a potential scam artist who registers, posts a bogus for-sale item, takes the money and runs.

So, ya see, it's not just a "spam" issue as much as it is trying to make the buying and selling of items on an internet forum a little safer for the people who do it. IMO, the rules are just fine as they sit. They're the same for everyone so please don't feel discriminated against.

I think this line from the Buy/Sell forum rules post pretty much sums up their intent:

"......It's all about Integrity, honesty, and performance of duty. It's about fulfilling your obligations in your transactions here on the forum. Lately, we have seen an alarming number of trader's, newbie and veteran, coming up with lots of excuses for poor performance in their transactions......"
If you're in that much of a hurry to sell your current wheels and tires, you could try either eBay or Craigslist. You also might check out local car shows and swap meets. In the meanwhile, you can work on that post count by being a participating member of these forums. You may learn something or be able to help someone else out with what you've learned. That's what it's all about (the Lounge forum being an exception to that.... )[/b]

We're talking about an online forum issue. If anyone were to take this stuff too personally then they may need to go get out more. I'm typing this while eating lunch with my wife and child. I have much more enjoyable things to look forward to today.

I was a mod on VWVortex for 6 years. Trust me, I am very well aware of all the reasons as to why the post count rule is in affect for the Classified forum. However, if you look, I joined the forum on 3/7/07. Would you rather have a guy spam the forum with 50 posts within two days and then throw up his FS thread with the intent of pawning off his home made goods? Or would you rather have a guy who has been part of this forum for over a year and contributed time to time throw up his first FS thread and try to help out some fellow members? Therein lies the glitch. Someone could join today, post up fifty within 24 hours and have his FS thread go up the next day no problem. Basically it's a quantity vs quality issue and I think this forum is overlooking that.

No more, no less.

I respect your opinion, however I think you have to expand on where you're going with your thoughts.

[DennisW]

We're talking about an online forum issue. If anyone were to take this stuff too personally then they may need to go get out more. I'm typing this while eating lunch with my wife and child. I have much more enjoyable things to look forward to today.

I was a mod on VWVortex for 6 years. Trust me, I am very well aware of all the reasons as to why the post count rule is in affect for the Classified forum. However, if you look, I joined the forum on 3/7/07. Would you rather have a guy spam the forum with 50 posts within two days and then throw up his FS thread with the intent of pawning off his home made goods? Or would you rather have a guy who has been part of this forum for over a year and contributed time to time throw up his first FS thread and try to help out some fellow members? Therein lies the glitch. Someone could join today, post up fifty within 24 hours and have his FS thread go up the next day no problem. Basically it's a quantity vs quality issue and I think this forum is overlooking that.

No more, no less.

I respect your opinion, however I think you have to expand on where you're going with your thoughts.[/b]

As a former moderator of another forum this shouldn't be all that hard for you to understand. I guess it boils down to the fact that the people who run this forum have decided on a set of rules of conduct for doing business in their buy/sell forums. I don't mean to be insulting but your original post comes off as just a bit whiny about "why do these rules have to apply to me?" Fact is they apply to everyone who is a member of this forum.
Your points about inflated post counts are vaild, but like I said, those are the guidelines the people who run this forum have established.

I was trying to be helpful, not engage in an ongoing debate about the fairless or effectiveness of current forum buy/sell rules. For any further discussion on the matter you would really need to take it up with the forum administrators. Who knows, you may well be able to establish a better system?

One thought also: Stock wheels and tires aren't terribly big sellers on a message board that caters to people who modify their cars. You may well get the occasional person looking to replace one damaged OEM tire or a curbed or pothole damaged wheel without having to spring for a whole set of new wheels or tires, but in general stock wheel and tire sets are pretty slow sellers here and usually at discounted prices at best.

[Mazda Gremlyn]

We generally let the 50 posts things slide if you follow all of the rest of the rules. You didn't and your thread was closed. If you were a mod on another forums, you should probably know how to follow the rules a little better.

[Flyin18T]

We generally let the 50 posts things slide if you follow all of the rest of the rules. You didn't and your thread was closed. If you were a mod on another forums, you should probably know how to follow the rules a little better.[/b]

You're absolutely correct. I openly admitted my fault within my thread for not providing pics in a timely fashion.

[Flyin18T]

As a former moderator of another forum this shouldn't be all that hard for you to understand. I guess it boils down to the fact that the people who run this forum have decided on a set of rules of conduct for doing business in their buy/sell forums. I don't mean to be insulting but your original post comes off as just a bit whiny about "why do these rules have to apply to me?" Fact is they apply to everyone who is a member of this forum.
Your points about inflated post counts are vaild, but like I said, those are the guidelines the people who run this forum have established.

I was trying to be helpful, not engage in an ongoing debate about the fairless or effectiveness of current forum buy/sell rules. For any further discussion on the matter you would really need to take it up with the forum administrators. Who knows, you may well be able to establish a better system?

One thought also: Stock wheels and tires aren't terribly big sellers on a message board that caters to people who modify their cars. You may well get the occasional person looking to replace one damaged OEM tire or a curbed or pothole damaged wheel without having to spring for a whole set of new wheels or tires, but in general stock wheel and tire sets are pretty slow sellers here and usually at discounted prices at best.[/b]

Whiny? Ongoing debate? Wow. A simple post offering some constructive criticism based on personal experience and that's what you come back with? Look at the thread title. My original post was not an exact description of my recent experience. Rather it was an example that was tweaked to reflect what could easily happen to any forum member at any time in here. This has nothing to do with my respect for the rules. Rather an attempt to streamline and prevent variations of what just happened to me. The only solid feedback I have received is from an admin who was honest enough to admit that they do consider things other than what is printed in the rules when deciding on closing a thread. Next time I obviously must PM an admin directly because certain members here are too short sighted to rationalize or consider something outside the box. BTW.....I was selling barely used winter tires, NOT stock tires. Read. Up until your last post I respected what you had to offer, now I do not. I will direct any further questions toward the mods/admins offline. Trust me, I'll never post another suggestion in the SUGGESTION forum again.

[MrTea]

wow, gotta go with Dennis on this one....as he was stating the reasons why the rule was in place, as you seemed to feel it was put in place to stop spammers? that was all?

i would imagine if you were around these forums much over the last year as you say, you should have picked up that Dennis is always there for info....he's a good guy, you are looking into his input WAY to much.

[mattwosik]

i dont mean to come off as mean or anything, but one of the best things ive ever heard from my dad has been, "you signed up for it, so quit complaining." simply put, those are the rules and we all have to follow them. without the moderators on this forum, it would not have been in existence.

[Indy MPS6]

I promulgated the rules in the FS/WTB sections. The rules came about due to less than desirable transactions taking place on the board a couple of years ago. I took the rules from other boards and mixed and matched the ones I felt were best for our site and our moderating team. We do not have a large moderator group and the mods are not always on here. We rely in great part upon members alerting us when the rules are not followed.

We do bend the rules on occasion, especially with the 50 post count rule. However, in the case of the OP, it was not only the 50 post count violation, but also the lack of compliance pictures. Too many violations to allow it to stay open. I closed the thread not out of any sort of animosity to the OP, but to try and enforce the rules.

OP, in your case, I would suggest you do what others have done, contact one of the admins/mods via PM about what you are wanting to do. I am certain if you do that (and come with the correct pictures in hand), your thread will be revived.

I also feel enough has been said on this topic. Your suggestion is noted.