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arctic_blue83 · 05-29-2007, 04:38 PM

Hello, I know there are plenty of members here that would prefer the 1" drop of your upcoming production "sport" springs for the MS6, but there are several members here that would rather have a set of the 0.5" drop "pre-production" version. Mostly due to potential issues with the bumpstops, as well as wanting to keep the additional ground clearance for those of us that live in states that get deep snow in the winter. I know this is a big PITA, and that it seems as though customers are never satisfied and always want something that's not in stock, but if it wouldn't be too difficult there are plenty of people on here that would appreciate it. Check the last couple of pages in this thread, I'm not the only one interested in the "pre-pro" springs:
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?show...=74118&st=0

Thank you very much for your time

DennisW · 05-29-2007, 06:15 PM

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Hello, I know there are plenty of members here that would prefer the 1" drop of your upcoming production "sport" springs for the MS6, but there are several members here that would rather have a set of the 0.5" drop "pre-production" version. Mostly due to potential issues with the bumpstops, as well as wanting to keep the additional ground clearance for those of us that live in states that get deep snow in the winter. I know this is a big PITA, and that it seems as though customers are never satisfied and always want something that's not in stock, but if it wouldn't be too difficult there are plenty of people on here that would appreciate it. Check the last couple of pages in this thread, I'm not the only one interested in the "pre-pro" springs:
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?show...=74118&st=0

Thank you very much for your time

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I'll add my 2 cents to this. I'd love a set of slightly stiffer springs that aren't just for lowering the car. 1/2" would be a perfect amount, IMO. 1" is just too much for my needs and wants, the only other set of springs I was considering were the Racing Beat ones that advertise a 3/4" drop and I believe something like a 20% increase in spring rate.

One hitch: I don't have a MazdaSpeed6, just a plain 'ol 2006 6s Sport V6.

So, if there's any consideration being given for such a product please count me as extremely interested.

smoker6 · 05-29-2007, 06:33 PM

I'm not looking for much of a drop either but would like the stiffer springs, and as I mentioned in the thread arctic linked I was a moment away from buying those pre-production springs, but at the time I didn't think I wanted any sort of drop at all. It'd be nice if this was available.

falcontx · 05-29-2007, 10:54 PM

I'll consider it, but I'm not sure if we'll be able to do it or not. Once we approve a final design, we'll need to order a large number of springs from the manufacturer. Once that's done, I'll see if they'll consider doing another smaller run of the pre-production springs.

mazda6club6 · 05-30-2007, 02:28 AM

Sounds like it won't happen, but... add 1 more to the list. Once people understand the MS6's suspension I think many will want less or no drop. I just want to improve handling and f/r spring rate balance, which your springs do. With the stock car only 1" above the stops, I'll take any level of drop from zero to 1/2".
Can the fronts be shimmed up that 1/2"?

mick_estes · 05-30-2007, 05:57 PM

+1 based on RPM's response, it sounds like it'll be awhile (maybe never) to bring back the 0.5" version. At the very least, they'll need to consider whether they want stock two versions of this spring.

After reading all the discussions on the whole 0.5" vs 1" drop thing, I've been convinced of the benefits of having more travel. But honestly, I don't know how much of a problem the extra 0.5" of drop will be for my needs (mostly aggressive street and mybe occassional auto-x). I'd consider the k-spec but they might be stiffer than I want (ride quality is important to me) AND with the Koni's, it's a much bigger cash outlay. If I went K-spec/Koni, it would be much further down the road when my OEM shocks need replacement.

For now, looks like I'll stand by in "wait and see" mode to see how things turn out with the 1" drop springs.

arctic_blue83 · 06-12-2007, 04:07 AM

After reading intensely for weeks on end, I'm also convinced having extra suspension travel will be beneficial. The last thing I want is for the shocks to stay compressed. With only 1" of suspension travel in the stock suspension, I just don't feel all that comfortable dropping the car 1" and having it ride around on the bump stops. I'm in sales as well, I can only imagine how frustrating this must be, to have one group of people wanting the "slammed" look, while another group is more performance oriented, both whining about what they want. I apologize for being difficult, but are you guys sure your production springs are going to drop the car 1"? If it turns out they only drop it 1/2-3/4" I'm all in, but I just don't want the car riding on the bump stops.

mazda6club6 · 07-15-2007, 07:43 PM

One thing you don't want is the front even fractionally higher than the rear - think of the wedge the bottom of the car would then form with the ground. You need low pressure under the car to pull air through the engine and brakes, not to mention what would happen at higher speed. For this reason I think an ideal spring set would be designed with a slight forward rake - a small drop in front and even less (or none) in back. Thus if you move the battery to the trunk or put in a sound system etc you're still level. It's less for style than to cover real world variances so you'd never wind up nose-high. Too bad we can't fine tune it with shims - I'm talking about pretty small adjustments here which Detroit used to do with spacers depending on the options one ordered (A/C was heavy back when).
I don't understand Mazda's leaving only 1" above the bump stops on a performance model; could be this is a compromise dictated by basing the car off a family sedan, maybe they want to prevent the long chin from slamming the pavement. I'd be all over the current sport springs if the car were designed differently; it's just that this particular car doesn't like to be dropped without major supporting mods ($pecial shocks) and likely scraping on driveways etc.

So.... the pre-production springs were about perfect...
Edit after seeing pics: Pre-production were 100% right. They make a big difference in the car's appearance for a mere 1/2" loss of clearance. Function 1st, style 2nd, but here that 1/2" makes a huge difference in the awkward look on the stock springs.

arctic_blue83 · 07-17-2007, 02:39 PM

Just as a side note, there was a poll posted recently in the Speed6 suspension section, and it appears as though there is more want/demand for the 0.5" drop springs than there is for the current 1.1" drop version- http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=79330

If there's a possibility that during your next order you can "mix & match" and at least order a few sets of the 0.5" drop springs, many here would be very grateful.

DennisW · 07-17-2007, 04:41 PM

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After reading intensely for weeks on end, I'm also convinced having extra suspension travel will be beneficial. The last thing I want is for the shocks to stay compressed. With only 1" of suspension travel in the stock suspension, I just don't feel all that comfortable dropping the car 1" and having it ride around on the bump stops. I'm in sales as well, I can only imagine how frustrating this must be, to have one group of people wanting the "slammed" look, while another group is more performance oriented, both whining about what they want. I apologize for being difficult, but are you guys sure your production springs are going to drop the car 1"? If it turns out they only drop it 1/2-3/4" I'm all in, but I just don't want the car riding on the bump stops.[/b]

Personally I think there are enough "slammed" spring applications already out there, including coil-overs that let you ride on the airdam if you so desire.
But, there isn't much of a supply of springs that really help the car's handling while providing a slight drop to retain sufficient suspension travel.
It doesn't seem possible to cater to both groups with a single set of springs, so I guess someone is going to have to make a decision as to what market they're targeting.

I'm hoping for the .5" drop for the regular 6s personally.......

05-29-2007, 04:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
arctic_blue83 Rally Racer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 1,150 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Hello, I know there are plenty of members here that would prefer the 1" drop of your upcoming production "sport" springs for the MS6, but there are several members here that would rather have a set of the 0.5" drop "pre-production" version. Mostly due to potential issues with the bumpstops, as well as wanting to keep the additional ground clearance for those of us that live in states that get deep snow in the winter. I know this is a big PITA, and that it seems as though customers are never satisfied and always want something that's not in stock, but if it wouldn't be too difficult there are plenty of people on here that would appreciate it. Check the last couple of pages in this thread, I'm not the only one interested in the "pre-pro" springs: http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?show...=74118&st=0 Thank you very much for your time __________________ <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:#000000">"My car drinks more alcohol than your step father."</span></span>[/b] </span></span></span></span>

05-29-2007, 06:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
smoker6 Mazda Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 3,533 Thanks: 4 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm not looking for much of a drop either but would like the stiffer springs, and as I mentioned in the thread arctic linked I was a moment away from buying those pre-production springs, but at the time I didn't think I wanted any sort of drop at all. It'd be nice if this was available. __________________ '06 Black Cherry Mica Speed6 Since 2-26-07 \| 0-60: 3.87s \| CPE CAI, SU MM, SU Boost and Recirc Tubes, Synapse BPV, Magnaflow 2.5" CBE, MDS DashHawk, TWM SS Stage 1 w/Bushings, TT Front MM, TT Rear Diff Mount, SU StiffDiff, Whiteline RSB, CX-7 Antenna, BC Coilovers, mrlilguy CDFP, CPE Catted DP, HKS Twin Power Ignition System, RAYS Gram Lights 57 Maximum Time Attack, CPE TIP, Denso 2Step Colder Spark Plugs, COBB Shifter Weight, SPC Ball Joints, VTCS, BS, & EGR Delete, VentPod w/VEI Boost Guage, Saikou Michi CC, Labonte ISG-S3, GT2871r, DNP manifold, Tial 44mm EWG, Cobb AP, TT Liquid to Air Intercooler. Spare GT2871r for sale.

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falcontx Mazda Guru Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Grand Prairie, Texas Posts: 4,026 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	I'll consider it, but I'm not sure if we'll be able to do it or not. Once we approve a final design, we'll need to order a large number of springs from the manufacturer. Once that's done, I'll see if they'll consider doing another smaller run of the pre-production springs. __________________ Are you one of our valued, satisfied, and/or devoted customers? -- Get your banner here!</span>[/b]

06-12-2007, 04:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
arctic_blue83 Rally Racer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 1,150 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	After reading intensely for weeks on end, I'm also convinced having extra suspension travel will be beneficial. The last thing I want is for the shocks to stay compressed. With only 1" of suspension travel in the stock suspension, I just don't feel all that comfortable dropping the car 1" and having it ride around on the bump stops. I'm in sales as well, I can only imagine how frustrating this must be, to have one group of people wanting the "slammed" look, while another group is more performance oriented, both whining about what they want. I apologize for being difficult, but are you guys sure your production springs are going to drop the car 1"? If it turns out they only drop it 1/2-3/4" I'm all in, but I just don't want the car riding on the bump stops. __________________ <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:#000000">"My car drinks more alcohol than your step father."</span></span>[/b] </span></span></span></span>

07-17-2007, 02:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
arctic_blue83 Rally Racer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 1,150 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Just as a side note, there was a poll posted recently in the Speed6 suspension section, and it appears as though there is more want/demand for the 0.5" drop springs than there is for the current 1.1" drop version- http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=79330 If there's a possibility that during your next order you can "mix & match" and at least order a few sets of the 0.5" drop springs, many here would be very grateful. __________________ <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:#000000">"My car drinks more alcohol than your step father."</span></span>[/b] </span></span></span></span>

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05-30-2007, 02:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
mazda6club6 Track Racer Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 783 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Sounds like it won't happen, but... add 1 more to the list. Once people understand the MS6's suspension I think many will want less or no drop. I just want to improve handling and f/r spring rate balance, which your springs do. With the stock car only 1" above the stops, I'll take any level of drop from zero to 1/2". Can the fronts be shimmed up that 1/2"?

05-30-2007, 05:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
mick_estes Track Racer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: N. CA Posts: 599 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	+1 based on RPM's response, it sounds like it'll be awhile (maybe never) to bring back the 0.5" version. At the very least, they'll need to consider whether they want stock two versions of this spring. After reading all the discussions on the whole 0.5" vs 1" drop thing, I've been convinced of the benefits of having more travel. But honestly, I don't know how much of a problem the extra 0.5" of drop will be for my needs (mostly aggressive street and mybe occassional auto-x). I'd consider the k-spec but they might be stiffer than I want (ride quality is important to me) AND with the Koni's, it's a much bigger cash outlay. If I went K-spec/Koni, it would be much further down the road when my OEM shocks need replacement. For now, looks like I'll stand by in "wait and see" mode to see how things turn out with the 1" drop springs.

07-15-2007, 07:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
mazda6club6 Track Racer Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 783 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	One thing you don't want is the front even fractionally higher than the rear - think of the wedge the bottom of the car would then form with the ground. You need low pressure under the car to pull air through the engine and brakes, not to mention what would happen at higher speed. For this reason I think an ideal spring set would be designed with a slight forward rake - a small drop in front and even less (or none) in back. Thus if you move the battery to the trunk or put in a sound system etc you're still level. It's less for style than to cover real world variances so you'd never wind up nose-high. Too bad we can't fine tune it with shims - I'm talking about pretty small adjustments here which Detroit used to do with spacers depending on the options one ordered (A/C was heavy back when). I don't understand Mazda's leaving only 1" above the bump stops on a performance model; could be this is a compromise dictated by basing the car off a family sedan, maybe they want to prevent the long chin from slamming the pavement. I'd be all over the current sport springs if the car were designed differently; it's just that this particular car doesn't like to be dropped without major supporting mods ($pecial shocks) and likely scraping on driveways etc. So.... the pre-production springs were about perfect... Edit after seeing pics: Pre-production were 100% right. They make a big difference in the car's appearance for a mere 1/2" loss of clearance. Function 1st, style 2nd, but here that 1/2" makes a huge difference in the awkward look on the stock springs.