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Arinzeuno · 11-17-2009, 07:17 PM

Normally when I down shift, I usually just do a single clutch rev match. I find that many people double clutch, but I was under the impression that modern cars with manual transmissions have synchros that make the use of double clutching obsolete. And I also find it a little excessive in every day use. Others say that they never rev match and throw the car into a lower gear when needed. As far as heel and toeing, I know how helpful it can be on a track, but does anyone really use it on the street. I typically just shift into neutral. What are your thoughts?

smoker6 · 11-17-2009, 07:21 PM

I single clutch rev match. I was also under the impression that double clutching on modern cars is no longer necessary. I can't heel toe this car. I do however always stay in gear in case I need to be able to move.

petoria · 11-17-2009, 07:24 PM

I heel toe downshift.

j2south · 11-17-2009, 07:25 PM

When coming to a light, I just leave it in neutral. If I need to go it doesn't take long to rev match and throw it in a gear and go... When I'm playing around I'll heal tow, but only when nobody is around in case I screw up, if I'm hitting turns on the street hard, I'll over brake and enter the turn slow then accelerate through. Only played with actual trail braking on the bike, don't trust my car enough on the street.

djuosnteisn · 11-17-2009, 07:29 PM

Down shifting at lights is the perfect time to practice heel tow. I do it at all lights without even thinking about it now. Helps alot with auto-x and rev matching.

kiseliok · 11-17-2009, 07:33 PM

this car is not making it easy for me to practice heal-toe.. I still suck at it and only do it when no one's around and coming up to a light or something.

Most of the time I rev-match - whether going up or down. Single clutch - never doubled it up. Don't see a reason for it.

My second gear isn't feeling all too hot lately so I try to rev-match it as good as I can..

and second gear on my bike is a bitch too.. wtf is up with these 2nd gears, dammit??!!!!

petoria · 11-17-2009, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (djuosnteisn @ Nov 17 2009, 05:29 PM)

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Down shifting at lights is the perfect time to practice heel tow. I do it at all lights without even thinking about it now. Helps alot with auto-x and rev matching.[/b]

I agree with this, I've been heel toe downshifting since the days with my KLZE MX-6 (miss that car), it took a little time to get used to the crappy clutch characteristics of the MS6. But like they say...practice does make perfect. =D

j2south · 11-17-2009, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (FezMS6 @ Nov 17 2009, 04:33 PM)

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My second gear isn't feeling all too hot lately so I try to rev-match it as good as I can..

and second gear on my bike is a bitch too.. wtf is up with these 2nd gears, dammit??!!!![/b]

Second gear gets beat up more than any other gear?

kiseliok · 11-17-2009, 07:37 PM

probably .. 2nd gear on a bike gets me to around 80, I think...

j2south · 11-17-2009, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (FezMS6 @ Nov 17 2009, 04:37 PM)

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probably .. 2nd gear on a bike gets me to around 80, I think...

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1st gear hits 87 for me...

11-17-2009, 07:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Arinzeuno Track Racer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 140 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Normally when I down shift, I usually just do a single clutch rev match. I find that many people double clutch, but I was under the impression that modern cars with manual transmissions have synchros that make the use of double clutching obsolete. And I also find it a little excessive in every day use. Others say that they never rev match and throw the car into a lower gear when needed. As far as heel and toeing, I know how helpful it can be on a track, but does anyone really use it on the street. I typically just shift into neutral. What are your thoughts? __________________ 95 Mercedes Benz E 320 Twin Turbo 3.2L inline six with 415rwhp/436rwtq @ 13.2psi. 0-60: 3.82 sec (with sandbags) 0-100: 8.56 sec 1/4 mle: 12.21 @ 120.1 mph. Top Speed: 171 (so far) 3400 lbs I rep Michigan. Come see me.

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smoker6 Mazda Guru Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 3,533 Thanks: 4 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post iTrader: 0 reviews	I single clutch rev match. I was also under the impression that double clutching on modern cars is no longer necessary. I can't heel toe this car. I do however always stay in gear in case I need to be able to move. __________________ '06 Black Cherry Mica Speed6 Since 2-26-07 \| 0-60: 3.87s \| CPE CAI, SU MM, SU Boost and Recirc Tubes, Synapse BPV, Magnaflow 2.5" CBE, MDS DashHawk, TWM SS Stage 1 w/Bushings, TT Front MM, TT Rear Diff Mount, SU StiffDiff, Whiteline RSB, CX-7 Antenna, BC Coilovers, mrlilguy CDFP, CPE Catted DP, HKS Twin Power Ignition System, RAYS Gram Lights 57 Maximum Time Attack, CPE TIP, Denso 2Step Colder Spark Plugs, COBB Shifter Weight, SPC Ball Joints, VTCS, BS, & EGR Delete, VentPod w/VEI Boost Guage, Saikou Michi CC, Labonte ISG-S3, GT2871r, DNP manifold, Tial 44mm EWG, Cobb AP, TT Liquid to Air Intercooler. Spare GT2871r for sale.

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j2south Track Racer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 811 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	When coming to a light, I just leave it in neutral. If I need to go it doesn't take long to rev match and throw it in a gear and go... When I'm playing around I'll heal tow, but only when nobody is around in case I screw up, if I'm hitting turns on the street hard, I'll over brake and enter the turn slow then accelerate through. Only played with actual trail braking on the bike, don't trust my car enough on the street. __________________ 2006 MAZDASPEED 6 is no more... :..( PARTING OUT!!! FOR SALE!!! SM Stage II OCC ($150) DashHawk ($225)

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kiseliok Rally Racer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,877 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	this car is not making it easy for me to practice heal-toe.. I still suck at it and only do it when no one's around and coming up to a light or something. Most of the time I rev-match - whether going up or down. Single clutch - never doubled it up. Don't see a reason for it. My second gear isn't feeling all too hot lately so I try to rev-match it as good as I can.. and second gear on my bike is a bitch too.. wtf is up with these 2nd gears, dammit??!!!! __________________

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kiseliok Rally Racer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,877 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	probably .. 2nd gear on a bike gets me to around 80, I think... __________________