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Arinzeuno · 11-17-2009, 07:17 PM

Normally when I down shift, I usually just do a single clutch rev match. I find that many people double clutch, but I was under the impression that modern cars with manual transmissions have synchros that make the use of double clutching obsolete. And I also find it a little excessive in every day use. Others say that they never rev match and throw the car into a lower gear when needed. As far as heel and toeing, I know how helpful it can be on a track, but does anyone really use it on the street. I typically just shift into neutral. What are your thoughts?

smoker6 · 11-17-2009, 07:21 PM

I single clutch rev match. I was also under the impression that double clutching on modern cars is no longer necessary. I can't heel toe this car. I do however always stay in gear in case I need to be able to move.

petoria · 11-17-2009, 07:24 PM

I heel toe downshift.

j2south · 11-17-2009, 07:25 PM

When coming to a light, I just leave it in neutral. If I need to go it doesn't take long to rev match and throw it in a gear and go... When I'm playing around I'll heal tow, but only when nobody is around in case I screw up, if I'm hitting turns on the street hard, I'll over brake and enter the turn slow then accelerate through. Only played with actual trail braking on the bike, don't trust my car enough on the street.

djuosnteisn · 11-17-2009, 07:29 PM

Down shifting at lights is the perfect time to practice heel tow. I do it at all lights without even thinking about it now. Helps alot with auto-x and rev matching.

kiseliok · 11-17-2009, 07:33 PM

this car is not making it easy for me to practice heal-toe.. I still suck at it and only do it when no one's around and coming up to a light or something.

Most of the time I rev-match - whether going up or down. Single clutch - never doubled it up. Don't see a reason for it.

My second gear isn't feeling all too hot lately so I try to rev-match it as good as I can..

and second gear on my bike is a bitch too.. wtf is up with these 2nd gears, dammit??!!!!

petoria · 11-17-2009, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (djuosnteisn @ Nov 17 2009, 05:29 PM)

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Down shifting at lights is the perfect time to practice heel tow. I do it at all lights without even thinking about it now. Helps alot with auto-x and rev matching.[/b]

I agree with this, I've been heel toe downshifting since the days with my KLZE MX-6 (miss that car), it took a little time to get used to the crappy clutch characteristics of the MS6. But like they say...practice does make perfect. =D

j2south · 11-17-2009, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (FezMS6 @ Nov 17 2009, 04:33 PM)

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My second gear isn't feeling all too hot lately so I try to rev-match it as good as I can..

and second gear on my bike is a bitch too.. wtf is up with these 2nd gears, dammit??!!!![/b]

Second gear gets beat up more than any other gear?

kiseliok · 11-17-2009, 07:37 PM

probably .. 2nd gear on a bike gets me to around 80, I think...

j2south · 11-17-2009, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (FezMS6 @ Nov 17 2009, 04:37 PM)

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probably .. 2nd gear on a bike gets me to around 80, I think...

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1st gear hits 87 for me...

11-17-2009, 07:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Arinzeuno Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 194 Thanks: 20 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts Groans: 2 Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post iTrader: 0 reviews	Normally when I down shift, I usually just do a single clutch rev match. I find that many people double clutch, but I was under the impression that modern cars with manual transmissions have synchros that make the use of double clutching obsolete. And I also find it a little excessive in every day use. Others say that they never rev match and throw the car into a lower gear when needed. As far as heel and toeing, I know how helpful it can be on a track, but does anyone really use it on the street. I typically just shift into neutral. What are your thoughts? __________________ 95 Mercedes Benz E 320 Twin Turbo 3.2L inline six with 415rwhp/436rwtq @ 13.2psi. 0-60: 3.82 sec (with sandbags) 0-100: 8.56 sec 1/4 mle: 12.21 @ 120.1 mph. Top Speed: 171 (so far) 3400 lbs I rep Michigan. Come see me.

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smoker6 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 3,697 Thanks: 16 Thanked 69 Times in 49 Posts Groans: 2 Groaned at 3 Times in 2 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	I single clutch rev match. I was also under the impression that double clutching on modern cars is no longer necessary. I can't heel toe this car. I do however always stay in gear in case I need to be able to move. __________________ '06 Black Cherry Mica Speed6 Since 2-26-07 \| 0-60: 3.87s \| A couple mods.

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petoria Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 56 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	I heel toe downshift. __________________ 2006 MAZDASPEED6 VRM CorkSport (PowerSeries SRI/TIP, Cold Air Box, Race Pipe, and SS Brake Lines (Red) AMSOIL (Engine, Transmission, Transfer Case, and Differential) SU Rear Motor Mount / J-Barone SSP Stage 2 / Denso ITV22 Spark Plugs / Magnaflow Catback Exhaust / Forge BPV (Blue Spring) / FlexInnovations Grounding Kit / StopTech Cross Drilled Rotors / Hawk Ceramic Pads / Michelin Pilot Sport A/S+ (225/45/18)

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j2south Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 813 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	When coming to a light, I just leave it in neutral. If I need to go it doesn't take long to rev match and throw it in a gear and go... When I'm playing around I'll heal tow, but only when nobody is around in case I screw up, if I'm hitting turns on the street hard, I'll over brake and enter the turn slow then accelerate through. Only played with actual trail braking on the bike, don't trust my car enough on the street. __________________ 2006 MAZDASPEED 6 is no more... :..(

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djuosnteisn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Abq, NM Posts: 3,559 Thanks: 497 Thanked 203 Times in 115 Posts Groans: 6 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	Down shifting at lights is the perfect time to practice heel tow. I do it at all lights without even thinking about it now. Helps alot with auto-x and rev matching. __________________ Highest hp stock block ms6 449awhp 527awtq WCF gt3071, SB + flash combo, self tuned and more on the way...

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11-17-2009, 07:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
kiseliok Rally Racer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,877 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	this car is not making it easy for me to practice heal-toe.. I still suck at it and only do it when no one's around and coming up to a light or something. Most of the time I rev-match - whether going up or down. Single clutch - never doubled it up. Don't see a reason for it. My second gear isn't feeling all too hot lately so I try to rev-match it as good as I can.. and second gear on my bike is a bitch too.. wtf is up with these 2nd gears, dammit??!!!! __________________

11-17-2009, 07:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
kiseliok Rally Racer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,877 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader: 0 reviews	probably .. 2nd gear on a bike gets me to around 80, I think... __________________