FORD and MAZDA

[Mz6GreyGhost]

Originally Posted by chester field

Last I heard, Ford owned 1/3 of Mazda and that was shortly after the bail out.
I hope the drive train in my Sport Wagon was made by Ford cause I'll never take it back to a Mazda Dealership.

You've been asleep since November 18, 2008, when Ford sold 20% of it's stake in Mazda. It's now down to only 3%.

Originally Posted by bajaman

lol...there isn't any "platform sharing" between the two companies any longer. Some people remember back to Ford Probe/Mazda MX-6 days and think it is still going on. It is not. Ford has less than a 5% share in Mazda these days and this does NOT include anything more than 'technology sharing'.

Originally Posted by SpooledupRacing

I know my M6 has alot of FoMoCo all over it.. but the MZR is a MAZDA engine. I know the Protege5 was made 100% in Japan and I think the MSP was as well.

I don't care what is what I just prefer my cars being assembled in Japan instead of America... We don't have the best "control/tolerance" like the Japan manufactures do.

Not for nothing, but even the best "control/tolerance" that the Japanese manufacturers supposedly show is not just limited to cars built in Japan, since IIRC well over half of ALL Japanese cars sold in the US are now produced/built here in the U.S. as well, including virtually ALL production of the infamous Accord and Camry, which have been produced here since the '80s.

IMO the "superiority" of cars made in Japan has been long gone.

[NeX]

To many things to quote...

Someone mentioned the new 6 doesnt have a v6 model...true, but neither does the Fusion..

MZR is just name for it, the motors are identical (mostly).. made by Duratec..tear them both down, you'll see

The 2.3 in the MS6 and MS3.. is the same motor (non turbo of course) that you'll find in the fusion/escape/focus

And as far as platforms... mind you, the Fusion (06-09) is BASED off the 04 mazda 6.. slighlt different wheelbases etc, but same double wishbone type front susp etc etc.. i actually have a Ford document somewhere to support that

What im basically saying is this.. do you reallllyyy expect two companies that share(d) parts for years to all of a sudden change that? Especially after the big financial thing in the auto industry?

I cant guarentee it, but i wouldnt be surprised to see alot of the parts are interchangeable between the Escape/CX5 and Fusion/6

(Off topic, but its kind of like saying the Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S are two different cars)


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[SonicNutrition]

Originally Posted by NeX

To many things to quote...

Someone mentioned the new 6 doesnt have a v6 model...true, but neither does the Fusion.. Yes, this is the market shift tward better economy cars. Just like the fact that soon you'll no loger be able to purchase a car in these segments with a manual gear box.

MZR is just name for it, the motors are identical (mostly).. made by Duratec..tear them both down, you'll see Made by Duratec? Who is Duratec? Its just the family of enginges named by ford. They have the right to build the cars with the MAZDA 2.3L using that name.

The 2.3 in the MS6 and MS3.. is the same motor (non turbo of course) that you'll find in the fusion/escape/focus Just the turbo is the difference? I don't remember a Fusion(06-12),Escape, or Focus using DI and a cam driven fuel pump.

And as far as platforms... mind you, the Fusion (06-09) is BASED off the 04 mazda 6.. slighlt different wheelbases etc, but same double wishbone type front susp etc etc.. i actually have a Ford document somewhere to support that We don't need proof, we know the parts they share and don't share.

What im basically saying is this.. do you reallllyyy expect two companies that share(d) parts for years to all of a sudden change that? Especially after the big financial thing in the auto industry? Yes, because once again, this is FACT.

I cant guarentee it, but i wouldnt be surprised to see alot of the parts are interchangeable between the Escape/CX5 and Fusion/6 Really? I thought you were going to guarentee this last time you spoke on the subject?

(Off topic, but its kind of like saying the Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S are two different cars) No, its not like saying a public joint venture between Subie and Toyota is a lie. Its like saying, Yeah, Ford used to share a lot with Mazda, but they don't anymore and both companies could care less.

But what do I know? 9 years "working for Ford"

[legacy4life]

Can we have some reference numbers for parts are articles to support these claims. We can all assume but what good is that?

[ctmazda]

I'm with sonic!

Not just because he's from ct either.

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[CanyonRider]

FWIW, I was at my local Mazda dealer yesterday looking for a part for my 03 Mazda 6s, MTX. They said the part was on nation-wide back order, which usually means it is no longer available from Mazda. They gave me a cross-referenced Ford part number and sent me to on my way. I headed to the Ford dealer, gave them the number and had no problem.

Further evidence of the widening seperation between Mazda and Ford? Draw your on conclusions.

BTW, the part is a differential shim for the A65M-R transmission. If you are following my Track Car thread, I'm in the middle of installing a LSD.

CR

[SonicNutrition]

Originally Posted by CanyonRider

FWIW, I was at my local Mazda dealer yesterday looking for a part for my 03 Mazda 6s, MTX. They said the part was on nation-wide back order, which usually means it is no longer available from Mazda. They gave me a cross-referenced Ford part number and sent me to on my way. I headed to the Ford dealer, gave them the number and had no problem.

Further evidence of the widening seperation between Mazda and Ford? Draw your on conclusions.

BTW, the part is a differential shim for the A65M-R transmission. If you are following my Track Car thread, I'm in the middle of installing a LSD.

CR

Our point is that there is no longer the widespread parts sharing that these two companies once embraced. Sure, they parts are interchangeable and by law BOTH companies need to supply these parts for at least 10 years. They used to, but they don't anymore.

[bziko98]

Originally Posted by NeX

What im basically saying is this.. do you reallllyyy expect two companies that share(d) parts for years to all of a sudden change that? Especially after the big financial thing in the auto industry?

@NeX
Sudden? No! I think you are confusing alot of the facts. Let me try to explain to you what happened.
Here’s a timeline of events, with supporting articles, that took place in last couple of years:

November 2008 –Ford sells 20% of its Mazda stake:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/bu...s/19mazda.html

December 2009 – Ford Plans to Develop Future Models Without Mazda:
Ford Plans to Develop Future Models Without Mazda (Update1) - Bloomberg


October 2010 - Mazda Reveals Next-Generation 'SKYACTIV' Technologies:
MAZDA:Mazda Reveals Next-Generation 'SKYACTIV' Technologies | News Releases


November 2010 - Ford to Cut Its Stake in Mazda to 3.5%:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/business/global/19mazda.html?_r=0


November 2011 - CX-5 is the first model to incorporate the full suite of SkyActiv technologies:
Preview: 2013 Mazda CX-5 | Driving | National Post and
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...zda-41244.html


Few links I posted above explain how Mazda and Ford have split their ways when it comes to product development. Now try to find a single publication, press release form Ford or Mazda or any article that supports your theory that in fact new Mazda CX-5 or 6 share technology with Fusion or Escape.

[Alex_MS6]

[SonicNutrition]

Originally Posted by bziko98

@NeX
Sudden? No! I think you are confusing alot of the facts. Let me try to explain to you what happened.
Here’s a timeline of events, with supporting articles, that took place in last couple of years:

November 2008 –Ford sells 20% of its Mazda stake:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/bu...s/19mazda.html

December 2009 – Ford Plans to Develop Future Models Without Mazda:
Ford Plans to Develop Future Models Without Mazda (Update1) - Bloomberg


October 2010 - Mazda Reveals Next-Generation 'SKYACTIV' Technologies:
MAZDA:Mazda Reveals Next-Generation 'SKYACTIV' Technologies | News Releases


November 2010 - Ford to Cut Its Stake in Mazda to 3.5%:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/business/global/19mazda.html?_r=0


November 2011 - CX-5 is the first model to incorporate the full suite of SkyActiv technologies:
Preview: 2013 Mazda CX-5 | Driving | National Post and
2013 CX-5 Platform Will Underpin the Future of Mazda - autoevolution



Few links I posted above explain how Mazda and Ford have split their ways when it comes to product development. Now try to find a single publication, press release form Ford or Mazda or any article that supports your theory that in fact new Mazda CX-5 or 6 share technology with Fusion or Escape.

Dude are you sure? Cause they sure look alike?










In all seriousness, Bravo. I wasn't going to apply the effort that you did. Thank you for supply the proper way to shoot a misinformed someone down.