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I contacted F2 and they will offer us the following:

Purchase a F2/GMS Oil Sump Baffle Kit for $85.00 and receive the F2 Balance Shaft Delete kit ($23) for *FREE*

Plus, Flat rate shipping for only $10

This is a killer deal - I'm working out the details with them right now and will post later when I get more info.

I believe we will set this up as a coupon/promo code directly from their site, so technically this isn't a group buy.

I will keep you guys posted when I have more info - hopefully later today. They told me they would run this promo for 30 days starting tomorrow.

"F2/GMS Oil Sump Baffle Kit

F2/GMS is proud to offer our very own oil sump baffle kit. This product is done and ready for purchase, we have managed to mass produce this kit and make it work for the different oil pans out there. We have them for the Focus, Fusion and Mazda applications. Also for the 2.3L, 2.0L and the DISI motors as well. Please when ordering let us know what application you need.

We are working together with Gillis Motorsports on this product that they have used for a few seasons. So after long testing we will offer this kit for your Duratec engine....."


"F2 Balance Shaft Delete Kit

This kit is for the 2.3L duratec platform and will free up excessive rotational drag by removing the balance shaft. Includes all necessary hardware needed to block the oil feed line in the 2.3L Duratec engine."

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In order to take advantage of this offer you need to add BOTH the oil sump baffle and BSD to your cart. Upon check out use the coupon code 'f2bsd' and you will get the discount.

They offered $10 flat rate shipping but it turns out it may be more or less according to where you live - they're on the west coast so the east coast guys might pay a few bucks more while the west coast guys might pay a few bucks less. Don't know what that will be but if it's a problem, let me know and I'm sure they will work something out for you.

Here are the links - not sure if this is OK to link this but I'm sure somebody will let me know if it's not:

http://www.f2usa.com/index.php?main_page=p...products_id=393

http://www.f2usa.com/index.php?main_page=p...products_id=261

Enjoy guys - glad I can help the community.

WTF! I just bought this on MONDAY!!!! Ah well... Lost ~$20...

Sign me up....

Hysterical.
"Hello Jason,

I had someone else contact me about this as well, his name is Will and I
told him that I can for sure work out a deal for you guys on this. Let me
know what you need or would like to see and I can make something happen.
Thanks and take care.

Thanks!!
Ricardo Vega
F2"


Awesome that you set this up. Can't wait for the code..

Count me in!

I'd be interested as well...

Isn't this a big job? Ie. removal of engine required?

Nope.

+1

not to be an absolte n00b here but what exactly is the purpose of the balance shaft? i would assume to keep the crank spinning longer because of inertia of a spinning wheel attached to it? a simple explanation will do.

balance shaft assembly is to reduce in-cabin vibrations - that is all. It's just a comfort thing.

vibrations from what? do all cars have this?


EDIT: wikipedia'd

but as far as gains wether power or not what are we looking at? does it give faster engien revs?

Usually lower rotational mass means faster rotational accleration.

You have no idea how much I hate you guys right now.... no idea...

I am so tempted to be in on this... grrr....



Couple questions for the guys who know:

Do you guys feel that I need to get the car retuned after this mod? I was recently tuned at churchs on my standback.

And exactly what would it take to reverse this mod?

Wow, not a bad deal at all. Shit. I'll def be thinking about it.

advantages of the oil baffle?

No, you would not need to get re-tuned and this is not a reversible mod. Once you do this kiss your warranty good-bye.

For the price it is a great mod, I felt a difference for sure, just not sure if its worth voiding the waranty. But that goes with most mods....

Exactly my thoughts, until another member suggested that it's completely reversible and that another member bought it for that reason alone. Facts would be nice.

If someone can provide hard data that this would go far in protecting the motor from throwing rods, I'm down. Aside from that, I'm not too excited to see my NVH increase.

yea what is this for ↑

Yeah, I don't entirely see the point... Unless you're doing some serious cornering...

I think theoretically, it's supposed to keep the oil from being sloshed around aggressively, and therefore will keep items better lubricated during high-g turning/accelerating..?

Facts... O.k.! I have a nasty ticking due to my over-sized exhaust valves (we're still puzzled as to how this happened), my buddy who is a mazda tech told me there was no way in hell it was gettin warrantied due to the BSD (balance shaft delete) being removed.

So..... after we came to that conclusion i had 2 options.

1. Shim the valves which would of cost around $500-$750

2. (This is the route i chose) Buy a new cylinder head, which i got off ebay for $250 shipped, get that sucker PnP later down the road, and now ive just killed 2 birds with 1 stone (fixed flutter/ticking/whirring and added HP)

does this noise occur only when driving like actually moving not idling forward or still. like it sounds like something is rubbing on your tire or something.

Well I can hear it at idle, but to most people No, your only gonna hear it while driving. Its nasty man, i cant stand it. On WOT it sounds like a damn helicopter blade whirring in my engine bay. Ive talked to a few otehr 6i guys that had the same type of noise.

damnit i think i have it ! although it started shortly after my new shocks & springs were put but i re-checked all of it. if it is the valves does this pose a serious threat.

Besides being annoying as hell, No it doesnt cause any issues what-so-ever. If you can live with the sound your a better man than I, I cant deal with it man. But ill live with it while i wait to save up and get the head Pnp'ed.

Sry guys.. back on topic.

i ask because whats the point of spending that money when it seems like most people want the bs delete...why not just spend the $20 sum odd bux for what you really want? that will be my route. i dont need the oil baffle until i decide whether or not this car will become track-only sometime waaaaaaaaaaay down the road. ill buy it then.

+1...

And before I have my last affair with my warranty, I'd rather be sure it's going to cure the engine blown syndrome... Only then will I live with the NVH and no warranty.

For $85 the baffle is a steal. You're not going to want to remove the oil pan a second time should you decide to track/autocross. Basically, to do the BS delete you have to pull the oil pan. It's messy as hell so why do it twice.

As for the benefits, it's 18lbs off of your rotating assemnbly in your motor, near the front of your car. Nuff said...

I'd see benefit in it if i were autocrossing, but I don't... So then it's what I expected regarding oil sloshing around. You going with both then?

ok both whoosh and i have done the bs delete and i cant speak for him but i know i didnt notice any added vibration at any time, i also cant say it makes a very big diffrence in sotp hp but it does let you hold 7 quarts of oil and that alone is worth it.

I noticed additional vibes at idle for about a week, and then it seems to have died down quite a bit after that.... I completely agree that the extra qt of oil capacity alone is worth the hassle, money, vibes.

I have those parts in my car (actually Ricardo at F2 put them in and he currently has my car). My brother (which has the parts in his MS3) says you can barely notice any new vibration and it seems the motor spins a little faster.

Like everybody else said the advantages of the BSD is you can more oil (more oil means cooler oil), lose the weight at the front of the motor, and free some rotational mass. As for the Baffle, you will only see the advantages if you do a lot of spirited cornering and track events. I don't see how they could void your warranty on the baffle, but with the BSD it would be a hard fit to keep your warranty.

Haha, I think they would easily void any engine related malfunction if they knew you cracked it open for whatever reason, haha.

Sorry what I should have said was with the oil baffle I think you could have a good argument on if your warranty got voided. It would be harder to ague with removing something from the motor. Were as just taking off the oil pan and putting a baffle in the pan you would have more room to argue.

Oh no... I understood you clearly... haha... i just meant that no matter what (even adding a safety measure with the baffle) they would still void ya if they noticed that you opened the oil pan.

Yeah most dealers are assholes. Luckily the one I deal with doesn't make note of my mods when I come in for regular service and just asked that I put the car as close to stock as I can if I come in with a warranty issue.

wow ur pretty fortunate then I wish more dealers were like that!

yeah I'm pretty lucky. Hell they did the clutch TSB on a less then 500 mile car so the service guy called me up and asked if I wanted all the clutch, pressure plate, ect... Pretty much everything to replace my clutch when mine goes out. According to him all the stuff is $1000+ through mazda. And he just gave it all to me.

Fuck the warranty. If you're considering this mod you've pretty much accepted that statement and/or live by it.

Anyways, the BS is about 18lbs according to the link I provided earlier. Obviously, it's not all rotating mass, but any unnecessary weight removed from the engine is bueno to me.

Purchase done w/discount. Thanks sbspeed!

Clarification needed: Are you saying you think the ticking noise was as a result of the BS removal?

No - it was his valvetrain and his post has nothing to do with the BSD kit and I'm nominating it for the thread-jack of the century.

Calm down lil guy.. i already apologized. Would you like me to edit as well?

Wow this is a good product. And I dont mind the extra NVH. As long as it will keep the engine healthier. IM def getting both the Balance shaft delet and the Buffle kit.

That's what I'm trying to figure out...

awesome, i was just about to buy it, and last second i saw this thread.

THANKS!

I don't think there is any way to know for sure.

Unless you have 2 identical cars, driven identically, etc. one with the BSD kit and the other stock - there's just way too many variables to be able to say "the BSD kit will save your engine"

Engines have blown stock.

Engines have blown modified.

Engines have blown due to stupidity.

Engines have blown due to weather.

Engines have been heavily modified and not blown.

I've yet to hear of a engine with the BSD blow, but that means very little.

I feel this is a "preventative maintenance" sort of mod.

For only $85, I'd rather spend the money, gain an extra quart of oil and have the piece of mind that I did all I could do.

That's exactly the list that runs through my mind. I just can't help but see most of the engine failures are low rpm, high load situations... so is it oil starvation, oil dilution, or a lean, lugging condition that makes them pop. We cant pinpoint this. If it all comes down to oil starvation, I'll buy the BS delete. The only downside about this preventative maintenance mod is that it will void that warranty... and the NVH. I'm sure you see my point. I don't mean to take anything away from this mod. I certainly see how it can be beneficial, I'm just thinking out loud whether it's for me at this point or not. So thanks for the input.

The extra quart can be achieved with $23. But based on your avatar, I'd say the baffle would be beneficial to you as well

BA, I dont mean to sound like an ass, but why are you so worried about your warranty when you're that heavily modded?

Nah, I don't think you're an ass, I hear your concern... I'll explain.

I'm worried because my dealership takes great care of me... I know the owner, the service rep, etc... I recently blew out the rear diff coupler and mount. They replaced it within a couple days... Of course, I took it in with the stock DP and no Standback(thank you PnP).

I also happen to personally know a 'higher up' of MNAO, and he told me himself that they don't care if you change out a CAI or CBE... you want more noise? Do it... it's not gonna hurt the car. That's why you have sensors and an ECU to adapt to change. But once you start removing cats, or exhibit excessive tire wear, or come in with a hostile/complaining/blaming attitude... then you're just raising suspicion.

My honest perception is that I've taken a mild and responsible approach to modifying this car. Every mod I've done was planned and thought out to improve performance without compromising longevity of the powerplant. Consequently with more power comes the necessity to upgrade some drivetrain bits. I could just keep breaking my diff coupler, take it in and keep blaming mazda and calling it a lemon... With and without mods, this community has discovered a weakness in the bolts backing out. That's a defect which is Mazdas responsibility, not mine. So it'd be unfair to me for them to point at cat removal or tuning to be the cause. And since Mazda has decided not to address these failures with a recall, I am taking matters into my own hands and spending $700-1000 and brace up the part that I'm betting would fail again if left stock. So if anything diff-related happens in the future, if I suck water through my intake, if my PCM fails, if my shocks go out, or anything directly related to my mods occurs, I won't blame Mazda. But if a rod fails due to inadequate oiling or insufficient R&D work on Mazdas part, I would hate for them to point to a BS removal and say, 'no'. And you know they will. It's an internal engine modification... If there's anything that would be classified as a hell-no-I'm-not-touching-that-red-flag, that is it! haha.

Hence why I ask about reversal of this mod