upgrade to OEM HID headlamps Options

[DrLove]

my friend has a 08 mazda 3 with halogen projectors and we installed apexcone hid 5000k 35w and the result is amazing. you get the exact same result as d2s projector ... retrofit is illegal, take lot of time and money. the light pattern is the same as hid projectors.... a clean cutoff with an uniform light. my step brother fid it on his xg350 and its also nice as oem. putting hid in reflector headlights is not good, u get glare and a very bad light pattern. gdn2 has projectors, so it works the same way as hid projector, so the result will be very clean for cheap. I know that halogen and hid plasma light doesnt emmit light the same way and not at the same spot inside the bulb, but with projectors it does a great job for 2 friend of mine.

[Freak4Dell]

How many times do I have to tell you that's not true? It will not be exactly like a D2S. If it was, there would be no need to call it an H7...you could call it a D2S.

You know what's MORE illegal than a retrofit? A conversion kit by itself, which is what you're telling him to do. For a retrofit to be actually be caught, a trained eye would have to examine the headlight inside and out. A conversion kit can be spotted from a mile away.

Again, halogen projectors do NOT work the same way as HID projectors.

I think I should be clear about something. I do not have HID projectors on my car. I am only recommending a retrofit for the OP because he wanted to be as close to OEM as possible.

[ckz]

How many times do I have to tell you that's not true? It will not be exactly like a D2S. If it was, there would be no need to call it an H7...you could call it a D2S.

You know what's MORE illegal than a retrofit? A conversion kit by itself, which is what you're telling him to do. For a retrofit to be actually be caught, a trained eye would have to examine the headlight inside and out. A conversion kit can be spotted from a mile away.

Again, halogen projectors do NOT work the same way as HID projectors.

I think I should be clear about something. I do not have HID projectors on my car. I am only recommending a retrofit for the OP because he wanted to be as close to OEM as possible.

I don't mean to hijack the post, but I think my questions are very similar to OP's.

Let's say the halogen projector in Gen 2 Mazda 6 work relatively well with H7 HID conversion kit. In this case, we would only need to get a HID conversion kit that cost around $100-$200, correct?

On the other hand, let's say we want the best result and go for a retrofit. What's involved in this process? What are the parts needed to do a "retrofit"? I did some research on this and come up with complete kit that cost around $400 to $600. Is this the right number? Also, which kit (HID projector?) is recommended for Gen 2 Mazda 6?

Cheers.

[DrLove]

How many times do I have to tell you that's not true? It will not be exactly like a D2S. If it was, there would be no need to call it an H7...you could call it a D2S.

You know what's MORE illegal than a retrofit? A conversion kit by itself, which is what you're telling him to do. For a retrofit to be actually be caught, a trained eye would have to examine the headlight inside and out. A conversion kit can be spotted from a mile away.

Again, halogen projectors do NOT work the same way as HID projectors.

I think I should be clear about something. I do not have HID projectors on my car. I am only recommending a retrofit for the OP because he wanted to be as close to OEM as possible.

freak do u ever did the conversion? I did it twice with friends and it works. I know that it is H7 bulbs! H7 bulbs are use on many reflector headlights AND projector. Our car (halogen projector) has H7 bulbs. You can put H7 HID kit and it will do "same as" d2s bulbs. The light output will be great if you stick with 4300 or 4500k HID. If you put your car in front of a bulding, you will see the cutoff JUST LIKE OEM HID.

I understand your point that OEM use d2s bulb, specific made for HID projectors. But you need to understand that (I hope) nobody will put 1k$ to get OEM headlights or retrofit $$ d2s projector, when you can get almost the same result for $100. Same if you buy OEM headlights $$$$$, you will buy aftermarket HID with d2s bulbs? They will not be good as OEM ballast and bulbs.

With reflector headlights (h7,h4,h11,etc....) HID glare so much that it's dangerous. With projectors, it doesnt glare like reflectors. SO it's safe.

second, there is not something "more illegal" about putting HID in halogen projector than doing a homemade retrofit wih glue,cutting,etc.. so unsafe and not reliable.

If you can see a conversion kit from a mile with halogen projector, then you are unique. If the guy put 5000,6000,8000,10000k hid, for sure you can spot him, everybody can.
But if you put 4300k just like OEM, Im not sure that you will spot what car has halogen projector+hid and who has OEM projector.

Please someone with halogen projector + hid kit post some pics of the light pattern on a wall, so freak will understand my point.

[DrLove]

This is the result of reflector headlights + HID kit (lots of glare)

(IMG:http://dut619.com/titan/hid/hid_kit.jpg)
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mazda 3 (gen1) halogen projectors+hid kit

(IMG:http://img27.exs.cx/img27/2549/xenon14px.jpg)
(IMG:http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/RamosDominicano/Carpics043.jpg)
(IMG:http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/saychisinlo/Fantastic%20Blue/Pre-Retro/Picture049.jpg)
(IMG:http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/saychisinlo/Fantastic%20Blue/Pre-Retro/Picture051.jpg)

OEM factory HID on mazda 3 (gen1)
(IMG:http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6292/1101052img7jx.jpg)

The result talk by itself, it gives a great result, very close to OEM, for a fraction of the price and time of a retrofit or buy OEM headlights. Also I will never cut my headlights on a brand new 30k car.


this is a mazda 3 with halogen H7 projector +hid kit next to a bmw with oem hid
(IMG:http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/2485/compare17wd.jpg)
mazda 3 LEFT BMW RIGHT
(IMG:http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/6051/dscn05056wb.jpg)


A huge tread of 53 pages about mazda 3 HID in halogen projectors, lots of pics!
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=18296.0

[Freak4Dell]

I don't mean to hijack the post, but I think my questions are very similar to OP's.

Let's say the halogen projector in Gen 2 Mazda 6 work relatively well with H7 HID conversion kit. In this case, we would only need to get a HID conversion kit that cost around $100-$200, correct?

On the other hand, let's say we want the best result and go for a retrofit. What's involved in this process? What are the parts needed to do a "retrofit"? I did some research on this and come up with complete kit that cost around $400 to $600. Is this the right number? Also, which kit (HID projector?) is recommended for Gen 2 Mazda 6?

Cheers.

Yes, you really only need to get a conversion kit, which costs less than $100, actually. If you go for the retrofit for best results, it will cost $200 max for the projectors, so I'd say at the most, you'll spend about $300 on that project. I don't know which projector is recommended for the 2nd Gen 6, but it seems like the TSX projector is a popular choice for many cars. It's a great projector.

freak do u ever did the conversion? I did it twice with friends and it works. I know that it is H7 bulbs! H7 bulbs are use on many reflector headlights AND projector. Our car (halogen projector) has H7 bulbs. You can put H7 HID kit and it will do "same as" d2s bulbs. The light output will be great if you stick with 4300 or 4500k HID. If you put your car in front of a bulding, you will see the cutoff JUST LIKE OEM HID.

I understand your point that OEM use d2s bulb, specific made for HID projectors. But you need to understand that (I hope) nobody will put 1k$ to get OEM headlights or retrofit $$ d2s projector, when you can get almost the same result for $100. Same if you buy OEM headlights $$$$$, you will buy aftermarket HID with d2s bulbs? They will not be good as OEM ballast and bulbs.

With reflector headlights (h7,h4,h11,etc....) HID glare so much that it's dangerous. With projectors, it doesnt glare like reflectors. SO it's safe.

second, there is not something "more illegal" about putting HID in halogen projector than doing a homemade retrofit wih glue,cutting,etc.. so unsafe and not reliable.

If you can see a conversion kit from a mile with halogen projector, then you are unique. If the guy put 5000,6000,8000,10000k hid, for sure you can spot him, everybody can.
But if you put 4300k just like OEM, Im not sure that you will spot what car has halogen projector+hid and who has OEM projector.

Please someone with halogen projector + hid kit post some pics of the light pattern on a wall, so freak will understand my point.

I have HIDs on my car. My car also has projectors. I did not do a retrofit. If you can't tell by those pictures that the result is NOT just like OEM, you need to get your eyes checked. I don't need anybody to post pictures. I can go outside and look at my own car. My car also has the anti-glare mod done to it, which took care of a significant amount of the glare, but it still exists.

It doesn't glare like reflectors, that's true. However, that doesn't mean it's safe. It still glares.

Perhaps more illegal wasn't the right word choice. I meant more noticeably illegal.

It does NOT cost $1000 to retrofit. Like I said, it's $200 max for some TSX projectors. They go for even less on Ebay.

Look, I understand your point that a conversion kit is fine for most people. It was fine for me, and it's fine for you (although, you never said you actually did it to your car). However, the OP asked for either OEM, or as close as possible to OEM. Now, both of us hope he doesn't spend over a grand getting the OEM ones. Thus, the cheapest option that keeps it as close to OEM as possible, and even actually makes it BETTER than OEM, is a conversion kit plus a retrofit with HID projectors.

[ckz]

After looking at the pictures, I can safely say that not all halogen projectors are created equally.

The 08 Passat with HID kit looks quite decent. However, I can't say the same thing about Mazda 3's Halogen Projector + HID kit. Comparing the pictures OEM HID with HID converstion kit for Mazda 3, I clearly see that the cut off is much better on the OEM. If we can get rid of run awy light above the cut off line for the Mazda 3 with HID conversion kit wit ease, that might be the way to go. Again, it's really hard to say as we can only determine if the if the light is too high, but it's hard to determine if the light goes too wide (incoming traffic...).

Let's keep this going and see if we can find any Mazda 6 (Gen 2) halogen projector with HID kit pix.

[DrLove]

My friend took the apexcone H7 HID for his gen1 mazda 3 and the result is better then the picture Ive post. For sure it's not OEM HID light pattern, but it's enough close to keep it simple and cheaper. I would also like to see how it looks on gen2 H7 headlights, and know what model and brand they took to compare.

Ill keep my money until next spring/summer, so I'll give it a try it in few months. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/5.gif)

[vmann]

Does anyone in here know how to change the light bulb on the 09 mazda six!!!? It has that leveler thing that i have no idea how to take off. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP

Also to help you out. www.ddmtuning.com has cheap HID Kits and I have had mine on my other car for 2 years and they work great! never had a problem with them and lifetime warrenty!