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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-07-2016, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
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Speculation on 4th gen Mazda 6?

The interwebs seem convinced that the Mazda 6 is due for a replacement in 2017 as a 2018 model. It seems to me that there were to many 2016 and 2017 updates to make that logical...

Does anyone in here have any speculation?
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What we do know is that the 2nd generation of Sky-Activ motors are due by 2018. I could see Mazda taking that time to release their 4th gen models. Whether that will make MY2018 or MY2019 remains to be seen. Having said that, I don't think Mazda can go another year without a major refresh. Almost all their competitors have had major refreshes since the 3rd gen 6 came out.
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I don't think Mazda can go another year without a major refresh. Almost all their competitors have had major refreshes since the 3rd gen 6 came out.
Really agree with this. If they don't release something new, they'll likely be left behind. Bringing some of the design and changes from the CX-9 in would be a hit, I think. The exterior design of the CX-9 has gotten rave reviews and the interior refinement is above its direct competitors. Would love to see a Signature trim with the auburn Nappa leather and rose wood trim. The turbo 4 would obviously be a big hit, too. Gotta think that Mazda wouldn't wait a full two model years to bring that over to other models.
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Really agree with this. If they don't release something new, they'll likely be left behind. Bringing some of the design and changes from the CX-9 in would be a hit, I think. The exterior design of the CX-9 has gotten rave reviews and the interior refinement is above its direct competitors. Would love to see a Signature trim with the auburn Nappa leather and rose wood trim. The turbo 4 would obviously be a big hit, too. Gotta think that Mazda wouldn't wait a full two model years to bring that over to other models.
I would love to see another mazdaspeed variety. I loved my Mazdaspeed 3 and had it been closer would've gotten another one of them this past weekend as opposed to the 2016 mazda 6 I now have. But alas I have what I have and will enjoy it for what it is until I can afford a sportier car and turn this over to my oldest when he turns 16. I also think they are missing out on a large market not having a "speed" variety of car in their lineup....so I hope you're right.
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There wont be any MazdaSpeeds in near future, and when they do launch one, it will be a mazdaspeed3 before speed6. There might be a market for high performance economy cars, but there are plenty of contenders already. As much as i'd love to see another Speed3/Speed6, Mazda's priority will be SUVs ,compacts and mid-sizes in that order. They need to sell lots of units to remain independent and stay profitable. I wouldn't be too surprised if Mazda goes the Honda way with M6 and M3 sharing the same platform.
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There wont be any MazdaSpeeds in near future, and when they do launch one, it will be a mazdaspeed3 before speed6. There might be a market for high performance economy cars, but there are plenty of contenders already. As much as i'd love to see another Speed3/Speed6, Mazda's priority will be SUVs ,compacts and mid-sizes in that order. They need to sell lots of units to remain independent and stay profitable. I wouldn't be too surprised if Mazda goes the Honda way with M6 and M3 sharing the same platform.
Mazda is not looking to stay in economy cars. They are going up-market.

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Mazda is not looking to stay in economy cars. They are going up-market.
Before you say that, Honda currently uses the Civic chassis for their Acura ILX compact. You also have the Audi A3 and BMW 2 series in the compact market. I think Mazda can upmarket the 3 and still stay within reason price-wise.

I agree with others on here that Mazda is looking more at opulence than track numbers. They want to design a dynamic car with capturing looks and refinement that's not seen at their price level. That being said, I think any kind of xSpeed is a low priority. If they brought a MazdaSpeed3 out in 2018, it would face some stiff (and established) competition:

Ford Focus ST
Subaru WRX STI
VW GTI

Not to mention the new Ford Focus RS and Honda Civic Type R that are getting ready for release. There is simply too much R&D and not enough revenue to support a Speed project. Best to feed the SUV/CUV craze to get some much needed cash flow in.
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Mazda is not looking to stay in economy cars. They are going up-market.
If they do decide to go "luxury", then they will be slugging it out with likes of Mercedes and Jaguars, and no matter how hard Mazda tries, they cannot overcome near century old history and brand recognition of luxury german or english marques or a history of no-compromise high quality of Lexus. Mazda may try to go "premium" aka Acura and Infiniti, but they will need decent set of motors and tons of cash to create a new brand awareness. The next big thing in automotive industry is electrics and self driving cars, by 2020 Mazda will have to switch its focus towards the possibility of a post-internal combustion engine and driverless car world. They dont have $$ to create a hybrid, let alone full electric vehicle. So spending cash on creating a new brand identity of Speed models may not be their priority. My guess is they will sell themselves to a bigger company within the next 10 yrs. They cannot sustain and develop at the current volumes for long.
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You guys forget that we are in the decade count-down to 2025 and 55.5mpg CAFE. Everything will become more and more focused on squeezing every MPG possible. That means smaller displacement turbo engines, tall gearing, weight reduction, etc.

Exciting times if you are an environmentalist or government regulator...not so much if you're a car enthusiast.


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